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Hardly any Ivy entries in the BCLK Club, just two:
i7-3770K @ bclk 116.95 MHz ~ Sin0822 ~ CPUZ Validation
i5-3570K @ bclk 110.5 MHz ~ battlecryawesome ~ CPUZ Validation
Not trying?
I'm sure someone could beat at least the i5-3570K? biggrin.gif

I given up on the Tridents - Might try to tighten the timings later today, but cant really ask for more of these. Might try the Samsungs tonight if time permits.

Been dabbling in BCLK, will focus on it tonight - With the UD7 its crazy easy - Just did a quick few touches on the OC-buttons and did some runs at 105 BCLK just for a laugh.
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Hardly any Ivy entries in the BCLK Club, just two:
i7-3770K @ bclk 116.95 MHz ~ Sin0822 ~ CPUZ Validation
i5-3570K @ bclk 110.5 MHz ~ battlecryawesome ~ CPUZ Validation
Not trying?
I'm sure someone could beat at least the i5-3570K? biggrin.gif

for me, it had to do with this remark in Sin's guide,

i quote,
Ivy Bridge Overclocking is almost identical to Sandy Bridge overclocking in that it is basically a CPU which is meant to be overclocked through the multiplier and not the base clock (BCLK). Sandy Bridge overclocking brought a whole new level of simplicity to the overclocking realm, a user only needed to change a few voltages, and change some ratios and they were easily granted a huge performance increase. With Ivy Bridge things get a lot easier as the CPU overclocks a lot further with better cooling and is more optimized towards higher memory and base clock speeds, thus making ambient overclocking much simpler and easier for the average overclocker. There is almost no need to increase the secondary CPU voltages, such as VTT, with Ivy Bridge on air/water cooling as the memory controller can already push the memory up to its limits without this. The same thing goes for base clock, while with Sandy Bridge the max base clocks we saw were pretty limited, around 105-107 on average, almost all Ivy Bridge CPUs will do 110mhz easily with LN2 cooling, and will scale way above that with the cold.
end quote,

and im having a hard time with mine, to go above 101 blck at 4.7ghz and higher oc's,
i only have it at 101 blck, 46 multiplier, never looked into it any further, tried find the max,
101.40-101.45 blck was max for my 4.6ghz..


edit,
wait, his entry is at stock, and only using blck?
116.95 blck and 35 multiplier..

anything i need to know before i (might) go at it later today?
thought it was bad for mobo etc using high blck's?
Edited by VonDutch - 12/10/12 at 2:11am
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It's a slightly different ballgame, but I'd be the first to admit I don't know what it takes for IB. I just know that SB was limited to around 105 and AFAIK Ivy usually tops out about 114? I'm sure fTw 420 would know lots more than me too.....?
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Well i guess my o/c attempt wasnt stable, borderlands 2 kept crashing. Works fine at stock settings. MB Default settings give me this v core:

Now i really think i got a bad chip! thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

You still have turbo on. But your stock settings does use more vcore than mine. I still think you can do 4.5.
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dang, rerouted 4x already ...lol gonna make em sweat ....LOL

: : i have a question that alot of people are asking, in forum's etc... : What is the maximum Vcore a 3770K can run? 1.52V vcore?
: im trying to find a clear answer to that question, i have contacted intel support before asking the same, but the employee and i didnt get further then the sheet 1, page 84, 7.10.1, Table 7-4 where it states max SVID is 1.52V im using that number in a forum as maximum vcore for the 3770K, but people say that it is wrong, and SVID has nothing to do with Vcore, all i want is a clear answer to my question once and for all.. if any of the "official" intel people can help me with this, or anyone else that have understanding about the maximum vcore a 3770K can handle, and why
Venu Gopal: I will help you with complete details.
Venu Gopal: Please refer below web link.
Venu Gopal: http://ark.intel.com/products/65523
: i know that one, but it doesnt state anywhere what the maximum Vcore is for the 3770K
: i joined intel forum yesterday, with the same question,
: http://communities.intel.com/message/174944#174944
Venu Gopal: Please refer below web link.
Venu Gopal: http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/3rd-gen-core-desktop-vol-1-datasheet.pdf
Venu Gopal: For more information please refer above web link.
: sheet 1, page 84, 7.10.1, Table 7-4
: where it states max SVID is 1.52V
: but it doesnt state clearly that the max Vcore is 1.52V
: its max SVID
Venu Gopal: Please refer page number :18
Venu Gopal: It gives core voltages.
: i dont see it sorry, i see vcore mentioned, but no voltage?
: VCore VR
Venu Gopal: Okay.
Venu Gopal: I have shared the details which we have, However I will transfer the chat to local support.
Venu Gopal: Please be online.
: will do, thanks for your help smile.gif
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this was on page 18,


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I doubt Intel would give a clear answer. They would hedge their bets.
You already know there are good chips and not so good chips, so I'd say the maximum vcore would depend on how good the silicon and all is in your chip. Maybe 1.52v or 1.55v, but really you cannot be sure. There might be some chips that would die at those volts. Probably not immediately... maybe after a few months. At the other end of the scale you have chips like Franky that handled vcores up to 1.9v (on air), but it did seem to shorten his life.

So in my opinion there isn't a definitive figure.
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I doubt Intel would give a clear answer. They would hedge their bets.
You already know there are good chips and not so good chips, so I'd say the maximum vcore would depend on how good the silicon and all is in your chip. Maybe 1.52v or 1.55v, but really you cannot be sure. There might be some chips that would die at those volts. Probably not immediately... maybe after a few months. At the other end of the scale you have chips like Franky that handled vcores up to 1.9v (on air), but it did seem to shorten his life.
So in my opinion there isn't a definitive figure.

Yes, but still, for me/us its a important answer to that question,
if you have a ivy thats not delidded, you prolly never have to ask it,
since most run into max temps before "max" vcore..

"What is the Max Vcore a 3570K/3770K can handle?"

Its one of the Questions that are asked very often tho, after delid, in our thread,
now the temps arent the issue, but Vcore..
so i refer to Sin0882 guide, and the graph hes using, stating, Intel Rec. Max 1.52
but now it seems he, and many others using the 1.52V vcore as max are all wrong?
Sin is highly respected all around, so people take his remarks/reviews etc at heart,
i did so too..

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Maybe 1.52v or 1.55v, but really you cannot be sure.
There might be some chips that would die at those volts. Probably not immediately... maybe after a few months.
So in my opinion there isn't a definitive figure.

At least the delid crew should have consensus about this,
before next time if asked , someone says,
"you can run 1.6V vcore 24/7, is youre chip is good he'll survive,
if not, you will know after a few months" ...lol

I for one say, Max Rec. Vcore is 1.52V vcore smile.gif

not because i can prove it in any way,
but because of all the remarks all over the internet stating it is,
dispite other people saying its not true, you cant prove it..

and when someone gave me this answer, i thought that made sense,
thats why im using the SVID 1.52V thats in the intel sheet

"I know for prior generations, the maximum allowable VID from the factory was considered
the maximum voltage for the processor. Not that that max VID was ever really spotted in the wild
for consumer usage. LGA775 was max of 1.45V VID, and that was widely considered the maximum you
should operate in a 24/7 environment, and that is obviously temperature permitting."
Edited by VonDutch - 12/10/12 at 6:01am
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Nice work VonDutch, I doubt they'll provide us with further info cause they probably didn't test voltages over 1.52v, heck not even over 1.4v probably...They most likely limited the binning and testing to the usual figures for running stock clocks and turbo within thermal limits using the box cooler.
Anyway, I will limit myself to Sin's max 1.55v on air, till I get a pot and freeze my way to 7ghz or close tongue.gif
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I'm curios if that screw has enough clearance to settle the block on the die...

Hey dude, if you want a safe way to test this, get some contact paper from walmart or an office supply store. Think of the pink or yellow part of a receipt. if you cut a small square of that paper, and then place that on the die of your CPU. Then mount the block (no TIM obviously), but be sure to use equal pressure. Be careful cuz if you crack the corners of the core you're toast. Once you get it all the way down, remove the block and inspect the contact paper. If you see a nice, even, dark rectangle where the core was, then I think its worth a shot with TIM!


Or you could use this stuff that is designed for measuring tight clearances between to mating surfaces:

http://www.plastigaugeusa.com/how.html

or if you're just trying to see a contact pattern you can maybe use regular old modeling clay. The contact paper idea is a good one though if you know the two pieces are going to touch and you want to make sure it's touching all of the way around.
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Microcenter allows returns for refunds in 14 days and returns for exchange in 30 days. other stores may have other policies (i.e. exchange only in 30 days, no refunds).
most online stores takes returns for exchange only, with exception of amazon (they do refunds as well).
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batch # 3228B157
is that returnable? i bought from a local store, I'll check with them tomorrow if i have time.
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Feniks was just curious about your batch,
its returnable witin a specific time after buying it,
depends on the store where you bought it,
most of the time its on the receipt within what time you can return it..
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