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gonna take a while before i can, me buying that vidcard...im bankrupt for months now ..lol
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where i could buy my 7970.. crazy right.. about 130 euro ($170) difference

Where is your Location from Denmark?

One of my wifes friends is going there to study to be a nurse.
    
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Crap. i just have to go to bed to wake up with over 50 new posts. lol
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Where is your Location from Denmark?
One of my wifes friends is going there to study to be a nurse.



im Dutch, from The Netherlands, Danmark is close, but not the same country ..lol
i could use a "nurse" tho ... biggrin.gif
Edited by VonDutch - 12/14/12 at 1:21am
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Crap. i just have to go to bed to wake up with over 50 new posts. lol

51 wink.gif ...lol
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Crap. i just have to go to bed to wake up with over 50 new posts. lol

Happens to all of us, amazes me every day ^^
Yesterday there were almost 100 posts for me to read through tongue.gif
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Thats Stable i do not bench an un stable oc that = degrading

I know I'm a bit late, but stability has nothing to do with whether it degrades or not. Degradation is all to do with voltage and heat. Physical quantities which have a dangerous effect on the material of which the die is made. Instability is due to incomplete switching of transistors at high speeds, this does not cause any physical damage.

I could run my chip at an unstable overclock for years and, provided the volts were fine and the temps were good, it would be just as good as the day I got it after all those years. thumb.gif
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I know I'm a bit late, but stability has nothing to do with whether it degrades or not. Degradation is all to do with voltage and heat. Physical quantities which have a dangerous effect on the material of which the die is made. Instability is due to incomplete switching of transistors at high speeds, this does not cause any physical damage.
I could run my chip at an unstable overclock for years and, provided the volts were fine and the temps were good, it would be just as good as the day I got it after all those years. thumb.gif

Not what i heard and have read in the past running your chip un stable destroys it.
    
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Not what i heard and have read in the past running your chip un stable destroys it.

That's not true in the slightest. I have never heard that from anyone with any real understanding of the mechanisms at work inside the transistor or anyone with any practice in doing so. It is more likely that those people are simply inexperienced, ran it at the edge of "safe" for extended periods of time with it unstable, caused degradation due to voltage and heat and confused causation with correlation.

I'll to to explain the reason instability occurs, it might help explain why it doesn't cause damage.

Each transistor is essentially a switch, which causes the voltage across any transistor to go from high to low or vice versa. As with everything, although to us it seems instantaneous, it takes time. The time that this switching takes depends mainly on two things: voltage and heat. If it is cooler it will switch faster, taking less time and the same is true with higher driving voltages.

Instability occurs when, because of insufficient voltage or excessive temperature, the output of the transistor is used before it is allowed to complete it's switching cycle. Obviously this would occur as the frequency increases, this requiring lower switching times. If at the time the output of a transistor is sampled it's output level is below the sensitivity level to signal a given state then the transistor will appear to have it's previous state as it has not been able to move into it's new state. This causes data corruption which is seen as instability.

While it may appear that the incomplete switching is dangerous, it is important to remember that, even under stock situations, the chip is not designed to ever complete switching. The transistor is never truly 100% on or off, it will, in operation, always be somewhere in between. The key is whether or not it has moved past the threshold value as it always would at stock. When overclocking this threshold value may not be reached, which will cause data corruption, but the actual physical operation of the transistor is still completely normal.
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I've never seen anyone mention that till Hokies did here but it does sound fishy...I guess many benchers would have noticed already.

VonDutch, importing small stuff is ridiculously easy! Whatever fits in a bubble envelope or small flat rate box will go straight to your door without tax with appropriate labeling skills xD pm me if need be.
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There is a reason people shoot to be stable if there was not.. everybody would be happy with "Kinda stable" FTW 420 would prolly know.. i have not heard much about un stable chips dieing from it since X58.
    
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