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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

Yeah, no good...
Well, I just crapped in my pants after playing Metro 2033 without any lights and with a headset. So I'm going to bed now lol sad-smiley-002.gif
Dude that game surely does that to everybody ... I nearly crapped myself until I got used to this game ... later on I got slightly stuck in first bandit station so I had to google some guide for ... well ... guidance wink.gif ... I also learned to save the bullets and use throwing knives over there wink.gif

Later on I really needed that guide (It's on IGN) for going through certain hard chapters like Front Lines and Black Station in stealth mode, was very helpful. not saying you should use the guide (it won't spoil the game atmosphere regardless, I promise), but at some points this game is so tuff (how do you spell that?) that you either go guns blazing (and waste precious ammo eventually shooting with golden bullets and later you can't buy stuff because of that) that glancing at a guide from time to time makes sense, especially if you are aiming at Enlightened Ending (I did that). have fun, it's a great game, can't wait for Metro 2034 Last Light! biggrin.gifthumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Matt-Matt View Post

I actually can't as I said before. It needs 1.45v for 4.6GHz and that's not certainly stable but after 8 and a half hours of P95 it seems it.
1.51v will post for 4.7GHz which is IBT stable but not P95 stable. mad.gif
Forget about Prime95 and IBT unless you point is testing the thermal capabilities of your cooling solution. Since a few weeks I use only Cinebench 11.5 x64 and couple that with WHEA warnings monitoring in Event Logs to set proper vcore at mdoerate temps and 30 sec runs, never a problem afterwards, such stable OC's pass IBT and prime95 as well, if you wanted to double check.
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guess i only talked about it in my head, thought i made a post ...lol (bad, i know..lol)
im almost sure ive read something about using polish, like this one for example,

wasnt a good idea, because the polish, after it cleans of pro/ultra, will also fill
gaps, but it isnt a good conductive material, so it will prolly harm your temps later on..
yeah, that's what I read somewhere too, still this is an option if one wanted to restore the block look to factory standard. I guess later you could use Arctic Cooling Remover & Purifier to make it super clean again for new TIM application. it's something.
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Originally Posted by VonDutch View Post

i hate intel, they just so vague with some answers peeps need..
any signs of degradation yet, with members running 1.45+V vcore 24/7?
tempted to go run my 4.8ghz at 1.420V, see how it goes in a year orso ..lol
just dont see the need for that oc, my 4646mhz at 1.305V vcore is fast enough..
nope, not here after I have gotten a new chip and used it only on MVE board, no degradation whatsoever and I run 4.9GHz on offsets daily and benchmark (well trying to) up to 5.2GHz with 1.65V.
I tried making 5GHz with 1.46V vcore my new daily offset, but I think my board's BIOS causes some instability when running offsets past 49x multiplier (random BSOD 124 or random shutdown sometimes no matter what).
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Originally Posted by stickg1 View Post

An Intel rep told me in chat support on their website that the 1.55v I needed for 4.8GHz would be fine for years as long as the chip wasn't overheating. He told me voltage isn't the problem, heat is, if heat is under spec then I can pump whatever voltage I want through it. Now it's hard to say if this guy knows his stuff or not but I'd like to think he does.
that's interesting and very re-assuring if Intel rep says something like that. I think Intel has gotten vcore safety levels right this time on IB chips and literally we are only limited by cooling. If only motherboard makers would catch up and properly program vcore offsets to work correctly past 49x multiplier for daily use, it would be sweet.
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Originally Posted by Gomi View Post

To be honest, with the wonder of de-lidding I cranked the Vcore up to 1.55 and started to find a stable multiplier - When I found that I simply started lowering the Vcore to where everything is stable.
Like a few others, my problem at the moment is not the heat, but the Vcore limit, what-ever it may be. Having a good 30C headroom is nice - But makes me shred a tear of the loss possibilites.
On other news: CLP is like crack - I just ordered two more tubes - So far I used it on all the laptops in the house and the folding rig. Amazing stuff!
And in completely other news: Just had a friend call me, asked if a 1200W PSU with an AC Input of 6Amps would draw those 6Amps all the time - Or if it simply only did that on 1200W - Personally I have no idea, so if any of you fellas know this, feel free to add smile.gif
yeah, chips differ greatly, good average ones can do 5.0-5.1GHz stable with up to 1.55V, there's quite a few batches that do such which is a good thing. where did you land (what multi) with up to 1.55V vcore?
PSUs draw what they need only when they need it, they can idle at minimal wattage/amperage as long as you system requests no more, a good example is using a 600 series GPU coupled with modern CPU running daily vcore on offsets - mine (1050W Thermaltake Grand PSU here) draws only 160W at idle (or as I type this) while under full load of both 670's (in SLI) and 3770K it can pull up to 700W from the wall socket (I can see it on my APC UPS).
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Originally Posted by Hokies83 View Post

1.55v is safe 24/7 if your not gonna go past 1.4v then u wasted your time de lidding.
I totally believe you and think the same thing ... however I just wish my MVE board (tested up to latest BIOS 1501) was properly allowing me to use daily vcore offset at 5.0GHz (50x multi) ... however the highest multi the offsets work correctly is 4.9GHz then it randomly craps out on light load. I don't like running fixed vcore daily (been there done tht for a few years with EVGA boards), vcore offsets save me a lot of money on my monthly power bills, especially now when using 670 SLI, those 2 cards at idle draw only 60W (or nearly 600W under full load when OC'ed)! smile.gif
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Originally Posted by chronicfx View Post

I am at 4.8 with 1.32v for my 24/7. It is the max overclock at which s3 sleep will work. Too impatient for hibernate.
Sleep mode stops working after you enable the Internal PLL override in BIOS and that is required usually past 46x multiplier. I personally don't use Sleep Mode ever as my main rig has always been running 24/7, I just restart it when needed (updates, etc.). I personally prefer running low voltage/wattage/amperage components (vcore offsets, 600 series cards, etc.) to save on power than to deal with Sleep Mode issues ... especially that I aim at 5.0GHz daily clock hehe biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Swag View Post

OCed my RAM to 2133! Didn't really need to change the timings but I wanted it to have some insurance so it went to 10-11-11 instead of stock 10-11-10.
on my Mushkin Enahanced Blackline (Hynix chips) model 996990 that were rated at 2000MHz with 9-11-9-27 @ 1.65V I can do 2200MHz with timings of 9-11-10-28 1T @ 1.70V and Tight Hynix Preset (it's in ASUS ROG BIOS menu - DRAM timings).
Nowadays I run daily 2400MHz with 10-12-11-28 2T @ 1.70V using the Loose Hynix Preset, it's fully stable. I am actually working towards a stable 2600MHz for benchmarking needs, but it's hard ... I am seeing POST code 55 so often that I got tired of it, I know how to work around, but it's complicated to make things fully stable under MemTest for at least 1 full pass ...
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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

Those sound like Hynix...you should keep the 10-11-10 figure, and go higher, perhaps 2400mhz 11-12-10-28-2t or something like that. Try the rog presets, Hynix ones.
if that is in deed Hynix it should do 2400MHz with plain settings straight from the Loose Hynix preset (10-12-11-28 2T), all it needs is a vdimm bump most likely, but chips will vary among mem sticks. it's best to google the memory part number and try finding what IC chips it has, took me a while to figure out mine (Hynix BFR)
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Sorry, can you explain Hynix? Complete loss at that term. tongue.gif
google it or let us know, either Ivan or me can provide useful links, if you can't find what is what.
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Not going to quote feniks but cheers! +Rep

Downloading cinebench now, does that test RAM/IMC too or just the CPU cores?

7.52 for CPU score, beats an i7 960! Nice.
It detects my CPU at 3.41GHz which is annoying, so just one run proves stability yes?
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I would be happy with 4.5 if its approaching 90 degrees. You don't want the processor running over 85-90 for everyday. Otherwise double check your mount and apply a good thermal paste (not sure what your using now)

I'm not happy with 4.5 and want to keep pushing it...

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This, i'd try and knock it back to 4.4 to be honest. Are you de-lidded and what cooler are you using?
I'm running 4.7GHz right now with a max temp of 70c with a P95 blend.. 1.53v

I'm not currently de-lidded. I'm running a Havik 120 until I can get my hands on a Kraken x60 to replace the h100 on my 3930k, or for this i guess... I plan on delidding this next week after NYE trip.

BTW. I'm following the Asrock SB/IB overclocking guide... I dont believe I've adjusted the Vcore at all.
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I'm not happy with 4.5 and want to keep pushing it...
I'm not currently de-lidded. I'm running a Havik 120 until I can get my hands on a Kraken x60 to replace the h100 on my 3930k, or for this i guess... I plan on delidding this next week after NYE trip.
BTW. I'm following the Asrock SB/IB overclocking guide... I dont believe I've adjusted the Vcore at all.

I'd suggest to not push it for now with that cooler and not de-lidding it..
Are you sure the Havik is mounted properly and tight? (Making proper contact) and you didn't use way too much paste (I'd assume you didn't)

I used to get 80+c load on a Hyper 212+ non-delidded at 4.2GHz on stock voltage, also to clarify "Stock voltage" what does it run at stock? 1.1v+? Mine personally runs 1.175 which is rather high and needs a lot of voltage compared with other chips.

I'd also ask what is your batch number? I know there isn't any correlation but I do think that the earlier batches needed more voltage and had a worse TIM application underneath the IHS because mine was terrible.
 
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Not going to quote feniks but cheers! +Rep
Downloading cinebench now, does that test RAM/IMC too or just the CPU cores?
7.52 for CPU score, beats an i7 960! Nice.
It detects my CPU at 3.41GHz which is annoying, so just one run proves stability yes?

yup, just one run is enough, but you NEED to check for WHEA Warnings in Event Logs, if they are there during the cinebench run then you need to adjust the vcore up until they go away wink.gif - that's what I do, after that I can pass IBT no trouble (pretty much stopped using it since then because it generates awful temps under load).
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I'd suggest to not push it for now with that cooler and not de-lidding it..
Are you sure the Havik is mounted properly and tight? (Making proper contact) and you didn't use way too much paste (I'd assume you didn't)
I used to get 80+c load on a Hyper 212+ non-delidded at 4.2GHz on stock voltage, also to clarify "Stock voltage" what does it run at stock? 1.1v+? Mine personally runs 1.175 which is rather high and needs a lot of voltage compared with other chips.
I'd also ask what is your batch number? I know there isn't any correlation but I do think that the earlier batches needed more voltage and had a worse TIM application underneath the IHS because mine was terrible.


At 4.5 i'm running 1.26 on Vcore. Highest core at 89c (ranging from 82-89) Running consistently at 81ish. I am using AS5 thermal paste and I'm positive its mounted properly.

I'm not exactly sure what my stock volts are, seeing as since first post its run at a min of 4.3.
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At 4.5 i'm running 1.26 on Vcore. Highest core at 89c (ranging from 82-89) Running consistently at 81ish. I am using AS5 thermal paste and I'm positive its mounted properly.
I'm not exactly sure what my stock volts are, seeing as since first post its run at a min of 4.3.

He was talking about the voltage on your CPU. so the 1.26 number, which sounds like you must still be on auto? Mine goes up to 1.3 on auto which would read out high 1.2. You can run your system however you want, but everyone on here will recommend that you do not push it further. Bottom line is your temps are not great, and as you get to higher frequencies you need exponentially more voltage to get the minimal gains, more voltage means more heat, and your already above what most would like to run 24/7.
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I'm thinking of joining you guys... I've got so much to do to my new system (buy a gpu) but I'm thinking of doing it simply for the temp drops. I haven't really pushed my 3770k, but I'm gonna stress it more when I actually get the time..

I havent bothered to read through all 6300 post yet, but is this a worthwhile risk?

Yes. To join you must first read all 6000+ post. There is also a test after that. And that is just the start! But it is worth it, and not really needed..., but lots of good stuff if you ever wanted to read through some of it. biggrin.gif
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Nice to see that intel stock tim deniers are growing day by day smile.gif

Today i opened the right side of the case and saw that one of the cpu mounting screw wasnt alligned . i had realized that something was wrong about it cause the cooler surface wasn't pressuring enough some areas. after that i fixed it and tested to see any improvements on temps. Well my no delid to delid performance was 23 C but now it is 26 C even with one fan thumb.gif This improvement made my day folks biggrin.gif It keeps better and better . BTW i'm still not added to the list redface.gif

Still not added? What post number did you fill in the needed info?
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Hey I think you must have missed my submission to join this esteemed club.. Post #6110 as I don' t yet see my name on the list.. If there is something else I need to do please let me know... thanks

I see Valgaur alread got yours added. Sorry for the delay Bigdale7! Wellcome aboard! thumb.gif
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I'd suggest to not push it for now with that cooler and not de-lidding it..
Are you sure the Havik is mounted properly and tight? (Making proper contact) and you didn't use way too much paste (I'd assume you didn't)
I used to get 80+c load on a Hyper 212+ non-delidded at 4.2GHz on stock voltage, also to clarify "Stock voltage" what does it run at stock? 1.1v+? Mine personally runs 1.175 which is rather high and needs a lot of voltage compared with other chips.
I'd also ask what is your batch number? I know there isn't any correlation but I do think that the earlier batches needed more voltage and had a worse TIM application underneath the IHS because mine was terrible.


At 4.5 i'm running 1.26 on Vcore. Highest core at 89c (ranging from 82-89) Running consistently at 81ish. I am using AS5 thermal paste and I'm positive its mounted properly.

I'm not exactly sure what my stock volts are, seeing as since first post its run at a min of 4.3.

Is that your before temps MunneY? Cause they are too high for a delided chip.....
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One more thing on ram Feniks...there are different variants of Hynix chips which don't react quite the same.
The best are Hynix CFR and MFR, the former being capable of 2800mhz speeds with good timings on cold, and decent loose timings on air.
I say we gotta experiment with receiver and transmitter slew values in our ROG bioses, I found a useful guide which I can point you to if you wish.
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