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Yes. To join you must first read all 6000+ post. There is also a test after that. And that is just the start! But it is worth it, and not really needed..., but lots of good stuff if you ever wanted to read through some of it. biggrin.gif
Still not added? What post number did you fill in the needed info?
I see Valgaur alread got yours added. Sorry for the delay Bigdale7! Wellcome aboard! thumb.gif
Is that your before temps MunneY? Cause they are too high for a delided chip.....

He's not delidded yet...
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He was talking about the voltage on your CPU. so the 1.26 number, which sounds like you must still be on auto? Mine goes up to 1.3 on auto which would read out high 1.2. You can run your system however you want, but everyone on here will recommend that you do not push it further. Bottom line is your temps are not great, and as you get to higher frequencies you need exponentially more voltage to get the minimal gains, more voltage means more heat, and your already above what most would like to run 24/7.

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Yes. To join you must first read all 6000+ post. There is also a test after that. And that is just the start! But it is worth it, and not really needed..., but lots of good stuff if you ever wanted to read through some of it. biggrin.gif
Still not added? What post number did you fill in the needed info?
I see Valgaur alread got yours added. Sorry for the delay Bigdale7! Wellcome aboard! thumb.gif
Is that your before temps MunneY? Cause they are too high for a delided chip.....


I've stated a couple of times I haven't de-lidded yet. I'm just trying to figure out where I stand as of right now. at 4.4 I'm completely stable and under 90c. at 4.5 here are the results.

After 10 minutes (ignore the timestamps on realtemp)


After 30 minutes (again ignore Realtemp time)
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I've stated a couple of times I haven't de-lidded yet. I'm just trying to figure out where I stand as of right now. at 4.4 I'm completely stable and under 90c. at 4.5 here are the results.
After 10 minutes (ignore the timestamps on realtemp)

After 30 minutes (again ignore Realtemp time)



Max temps of 105?!??!?!?! Stop doing this to your chip!!!! LOL
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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

One more thing on ram Feniks...there are different variants of Hynix chips which don't react quite the same.
The best are Hynix CFR and MFR, the former being capable of 2800mhz speeds with good timings on cold, and decent loose timings on air.
I say we gotta experiment with receiver and transmitter slew values in our ROG bioses, I found a useful guide which I can point you to if you wish.

yup budyy, I know about different kinds of those Hynix ICs ... was just saying how mine (BFR I think they are) react to overclocking on ROG BIOS. I totally admit we do need more experimenting hehe as always ... so far by adjusting Transceiver and Receiver slew values to suggested by Shamino & Kingpin I noticed much worse performance instead of improvements ... wondering to what those settings are set to on auto (can't see anywhere) if by setting the "tuned" values bandwidths suffered a loss ...

was using this guide (same one is published on kingpin forums):
http://rog.asus.com/109512012/maximus-v-motherboards/maximus-v-formula-ln2-ocing-preview-from-shamino-andre/3/

another good guide you PM'ed me some time ago was the one made by Woomack on ROG BIOSes:
http://www.overclockers.com/memory-overclocking-guide-ivy-bridge

how is your MVG doing? updated the BIOS to latest one yet? I have a thing to say about latest 3 BIOSes for MVE ... they seem to have a corrupted Load Defaults option (F5) ... on those BIOSes I need to Clear CMOS when I restore settings instead of Loading Defaults which causes some junk settings to appear in Tweak section and moreover Windows reports different things ... also those BIOSes have a weird stability issues above 49x multi if that happens just Clear CMOS and it should return to normal. still waiting on new revised BIOS for my board. The last "normal" BIOS before "stability improvements" was 704 on MVE.

by the way, here the Metro 2033 guide if you wondered what I was talking about before;
http://www.ign.com/wikis/metro-2033/Walkthrough

here's the one I personally used further in game for enlightened ending:
http://guides.gamepressure.com/metro2033/
Edited by feniks - 12/28/12 at 9:18pm
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At 4.5 i'm running 1.26 on Vcore. Highest core at 89c (ranging from 82-89) Running consistently at 81ish. I am using AS5 thermal paste and I'm positive its mounted properly.
I'm not exactly sure what my stock volts are, seeing as since first post its run at a min of 4.3.

Yeah, auto will always apply too much voltage (it's a good thing for people that don't know what they're doing) because it stops them from clocking their processors too high and it also makes sure that it will always be stable up to a certain extent (1.3v+ so it seems for Ivy Bridge)

Munney: You should set your voltage to 1.20v manually and see if that is Intel Burn Test/Cinebench stable, if it's not move to 1.21 and see what happens and keep going till you're IBT/Cinebench stable.. This should reduce your temperature a lot if you can reduce the voltage needed. You may also like to play around with LLC and put it on medium (50%) or high (75%), this can reduce the vCore needed but will put more stress on the motherboard (which is okay to a certain extent).
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yup, just one run is enough, but you NEED to check for WHEA Warnings in Event Logs, if they are there during the cinebench run then you need to adjust the vcore up until they go away wink.gif - that's what I do, after that I can pass IBT no trouble (pretty much stopped using it since then because it generates awful temps under load).

I can't remember where the WHEA errors are located in the event viewer...rolleyes.gif
But so far at 4.6GHz with 2000MHz 10-10-10-28 with the Samsung RAM, anything over 2000 makes it unstable even at CAS11. Has anyone got any other advice for the Samsung RAM and overclocking with tertiary timings and such? I'm stuck at these settings now
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Yeah, auto will always apply too much voltage (it's a good thing for people that don't know what they're doing) because it stops them from clocking their processors too high and it also makes sure that it will always be stable up to a certain extent (1.3v+ so it seems for Ivy Bridge)
Munney: You should set your voltage to 1.20v manually and see if that is Intel Burn Test/Cinebench stable, if it's not move to 1.21 and see what happens and keep going till you're IBT/Cinebench stable.. This should reduce your temperature a lot if you can reduce the voltage needed. You may also like to play around with LLC and put it on medium (50%) or high (75%), this can reduce the vCore needed but will put more stress on the motherboard (which is okay to a certain extent).
I can't remember where the WHEA errors are located in the event viewer...rolleyes.gif
But so far at 4.6GHz with 2000MHz 10-10-10-28 with the Samsung RAM, anything over 2000 makes it unstable even at CAS11. Has anyone got any other advice for the Samsung RAM and overclocking with tertiary timings and such? I'm stuck at these settings now

That's the downside with this sticks, you don't get an xmp profile to base on for tweaking from there and some boards like my Gigabyte ud5h didn't play nice with them on auto.
I'd say take a look at someone else's mem tweakit screenshot and copy the timings, or use Sin0822 bios screenshots as a base. Normally you leave stuff on the value which auto puts it and tighten stuff individually till you get instability at a given clock rate.
There are a few things you need to know:
-These sticks favor this sort of timings 9-10-10-21-1t or even 9-9-10-21-1t. (higher clocks would net you 10-11-11-26 or 9-12-12-21-1t with more volts, or the most common 10-11-11-26-1t)
-They scale with voltage up to 1.7v more or less, but less is preferred. Sometimes voltage hinders your oc with these
-The Twl or twcl value should be a few notches away from the cas value, cause it determines the delay to write to cas again. You won't be able to boot with it in auto or you won't see performance increases with tighter cas if you don't tweak it. cl9 would need twcl 7, cl10 - twcl 8. (check techpowerup's Samsung ram ocing guide for more info on this)
-Depending on your cpu's ic and ram chips you may be able to get away with tighter tertiaries which boost your bandwidth significantly but also make the oc require more voltage (be it vdimm, vccsa/vccio or both)
-Have fun and test with memtest86+ at boot first to see if it passes a few rounds before going head on to Windows, and then test efficiency with maxxmem/aida/superpi32m or 8m
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That's the downside with this sticks, you don't get an xmp profile to base on for tweaking from there and some boards like my Gigabyte ud5h didn't play nice with them on auto.
I'd say take a look at someone else's mem tweakit screenshot and copy the timings, or use Sin0822 bios screenshots as a base. Normally you leave stuff on the value which auto puts it and tighten stuff individually till you get instability at a given clock rate.
There are a few things you need to know:
-These sticks favor this sort of timings 9-10-10-21-1t or even 9-9-10-21-1t. (higher clocks would net you 10-11-11-26 or 9-12-12-21-1t with more volts, or the most common 10-11-11-26-1t)
-They scale with voltage up to 1.7v more or less, but less is preferred. Sometimes voltage hinders your oc with these
-The Twl or twcl value should be a few notches away from the cas value, cause it determines the delay to write to cas again. You won't be able to boot with it in auto or you won't see performance increases with tighter cas if you don't tweak it. cl9 would need twcl 7, cl10 - twcl 8. (check techpowerup's Samsung ram ocing guide for more info on this)
-Depending on your cpu's ic and ram chips you may be able to get away with tighter tertiaries which boost your bandwidth significantly but also make the oc require more voltage (be it vdimm, vccsa/vccio or both)
-Have fun and test with memtest86+ at boot first to see if it passes a few rounds before going head on to Windows, and then test efficiency with maxxmem/aida/superpi32m or 8m

Cheers, well i'm 1Hr prime95 stable at 97% RAM usage with the above settings. I'll try 1T for now. I'll also try going to 9-9-19-21 first though. I'll have a look at the Twl/Twcl value too.
The IMC on an Ivy should be fine to do 2133 though yes?
+Rep all the way,

I don't like using bootable programs for memory testing.. I prefer stuff such as the windows based memtest but I'll give memtest x86 a go I suppose. tongue.gif
 
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So... found my chip... Intel lost it....... mad.gif

So what actually happened? redface.gif
 
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So what actually happened? redface.gif

usps ays it was delivered... intel never got it. but called usps then they said a guy with such name from intel got it. called intel and told them who so they are doing a man hunt lol. Should be getting info right away either tomorrow or monday they will be giving me 2 day overnight shipping biggrin.gif
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