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usps ays it was delivered... intel never got it. but called usps then they said a guy with such name from intel got it. called intel and told them who so they are doing a man hunt lol. Should be getting info right away either tomorrow or monday they will be giving me 2 day overnight shipping biggrin.gif

Haha wow, that's very odd.. At least you sorted it out! biggrin.gif
 
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usps ays it was delivered... intel never got it. but called usps then they said a guy with such name from intel got it. called intel and told them who so they are doing a man hunt lol. Should be getting info right away either tomorrow or monday they will be giving me 2 day overnight shipping biggrin.gif

Haha wow, that's very odd.. At least you sorted it out! biggrin.gif

Intel has GREAT customer service and are very loyal to their customers. tongue.gif

What Vdimm should I run my RAM at? 1.50, 1.60, 1.65, or 1.70?
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@ ivanlabrie ,feniks, a question. On the link feniks posted (http://www.overclockers.com/memory-overclocking-guide-ivy-bridge) it noted the following:

- VCCSA ( IMC / System Agent ) – memory controller voltage , can be helpful above 2400+ or while setting really low timings, I haven’t seen any difference above 1.35V for 3000+ memory clock.
- VCCIO ( VTT / QPI ) - main voltage to play with while overclocking memory, Intel’s safe is also max MVG value – 1.4V for sub zero cooling, hard to say how much you will need for max clocks but it shouldn’t be more than ~1.35V for DDR3-2800.
- VDIMM / Memory voltage – this is quite clear, max for most kits is about 1.9V ( like PSC ) but some IC may need 2V+ to make max clocks or low timings on higher clocks ( BBSE, Micron D9 ) and also will need sub zero cooling.

My question: I have had several MBs for SB and IB and none of them has had the VCCIO adjustment. The other two, yes. But not the VCCIO which he notes as "main voltage to play with while overclocking memory" which is a problem for me.

I can, and have, adjusted the other two and acheived some limited success doing so, but I always wanted to do better and I keep seeing that VCCIO setting I can't find or adjust as maybe the answer to the problem of doing better at mem OCing.

So, if my BIOSs does not have it, then those boards with that kind of BIOS just can't do serious mem OCing? Or is there something else I can do?

Thanks bros!
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@ ivanlabrie ,feniks, a question. On the link feniks posted (http://www.overclockers.com/memory-overclocking-guide-ivy-bridge) it noted the following:
- VCCSA ( IMC / System Agent ) – memory controller voltage , can be helpful above 2400+ or while setting really low timings, I haven’t seen any difference above 1.35V for 3000+ memory clock.
- VCCIO ( VTT / QPI ) - main voltage to play with while overclocking memory, Intel’s safe is also max MVG value – 1.4V for sub zero cooling, hard to say how much you will need for max clocks but it shouldn’t be more than ~1.35V for DDR3-2800.
- VDIMM / Memory voltage – this is quite clear, max for most kits is about 1.9V ( like PSC ) but some IC may need 2V+ to make max clocks or low timings on higher clocks ( BBSE, Micron D9 ) and also will need sub zero cooling.
My question: I have had several MBs for SB and IB and none of them has had the VCCIO adjustment. The other two, yes. But not the VCCIO which he notes as "main voltage to play with while overclocking memory" which is a problem for me.
I can, and have, adjusted the other two and acheived some limited success doing so, but I always wanted to do better and I keep seeing that VCCIO setting I can't find or adjust as maybe the answer to the problem of doing better at mem OCing.
So, if my BIOSs does not have it, then those boards with that kind of BIOS just can't do serious mem OCing? Or is there something else I can do?
Thanks bros!

I know this question was not aimed at me, but in the BIOS VCCIO can be reffered to at VTT (Pretty sure that's what Gigabyte has it on all boards) and QPI is a possibility on other boards.
 
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Yes. To join you must first read all 6000+ post. There is also a test after that. And that is just the start! But it is worth it, and not really needed..., but lots of good stuff if you ever wanted to read through some of it. biggrin.gif

Is that your before temps MunneY? Cause they are too high for a delided chip.....

I've stated a couple of times I haven't de-lidded yet. I'm just trying to figure out where I stand as of right now. at 4.4 I'm completely stable and under 90c. at 4.5 here are the results.

After 10 minutes (ignore the timestamps on realtemp) Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


After 30 minutes (again ignore Realtemp time)

Sorry I missed that you were not delided yet. Yep, great idea to get before temps so you can see the improvement - makes it even better once you have delidded as you know just how much better you are for doing it!

And looking at your temps for 4.5GHz you really will be better off once you are delidded! Enough testing as you are already hitting TJMax of 105C - not good for your chip, so no need to do it anymore. Your chip will benefit from a delid! Looking forward to seeing your temps for the same OC once you are delidded!!! thumb.gif
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@ ivanlabrie ,feniks, a question. On the link feniks posted (http://www.overclockers.com/memory-overclocking-guide-ivy-bridge) it noted the following:
- VCCSA ( IMC / System Agent ) – memory controller voltage , can be helpful above 2400+ or while setting really low timings, I haven’t seen any difference above 1.35V for 3000+ memory clock.
- VCCIO ( VTT / QPI ) - main voltage to play with while overclocking memory, Intel’s safe is also max MVG value – 1.4V for sub zero cooling, hard to say how much you will need for max clocks but it shouldn’t be more than ~1.35V for DDR3-2800.
- VDIMM / Memory voltage – this is quite clear, max for most kits is about 1.9V ( like PSC ) but some IC may need 2V+ to make max clocks or low timings on higher clocks ( BBSE, Micron D9 ) and also will need sub zero cooling.
My question: I have had several MBs for SB and IB and none of them has had the VCCIO adjustment. The other two, yes. But not the VCCIO which he notes as "main voltage to play with while overclocking memory" which is a problem for me.
I can, and have, adjusted the other two and acheived some limited success doing so, but I always wanted to do better and I keep seeing that VCCIO setting I can't find or adjust as maybe the answer to the problem of doing better at mem OCing.
So, if my BIOSs does not have it, then those boards with that kind of BIOS just can't do serious mem OCing? Or is there something else I can do?
Thanks bros!

I know this question was not aimed at me, but in the BIOS VCCIO can be reffered to at VTT (Pretty sure that's what Gigabyte has it on all boards) and QPI is a possibility on other boards.

There is no problem with anyone who has something to add answering on this thread Matt-Matt! smile.gif We are a community here with lots of OC'ers who know all kinds of good OCing stuff! Anyone who knows something that might help another OCer is wellcome to answer. So thanks!

I have looked for the alternate names and have not found them either. I just wonder if some BIOS has better mem OCing support than others, as I know some of my MBs BIOS did have better or worse CPU OCing options. And maybe all of the MBs I am using just do not have the best mem OCing options in their BIOS - particularly the VCCIO. Hope there is more to it than that and something else I can do.... redface.gif
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Cheers, well i'm 1Hr prime95 stable at 97% RAM usage with the above settings. I'll try 1T for now. I'll also try going to 9-9-19-21 first though. I'll have a look at the Twl/Twcl value too.
The IMC on an Ivy should be fine to do 2133 though yes?
+Rep all the way,
I don't like using bootable programs for memory testing.. I prefer stuff such as the windows based memtest but I'll give memtest x86 a go I suppose. tongue.gif

I meant it's better to start with that instead of borking your Os install, but if you have an SSD reinstalling Windows ain't such a big deal lol
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Intel has GREAT customer service and are very loyal to their customers. tongue.gif
What Vdimm should I run my RAM at? 1.50, 1.60, 1.65, or 1.70?

I'd try 1.65v and see what I can get with that, max 1.75v for benching on air and 1.7v for some safe but more 'extreme' overclocks. biggrin.gif
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@ ivanlabrie ,feniks, a question. On the link feniks posted (http://www.overclockers.com/memory-overclocking-guide-ivy-bridge) it noted the following:
- VCCSA ( IMC / System Agent ) – memory controller voltage , can be helpful above 2400+ or while setting really low timings, I haven’t seen any difference above 1.35V for 3000+ memory clock.
- VCCIO ( VTT / QPI ) - main voltage to play with while overclocking memory, Intel’s safe is also max MVG value – 1.4V for sub zero cooling, hard to say how much you will need for max clocks but it shouldn’t be more than ~1.35V for DDR3-2800.
- VDIMM / Memory voltage – this is quite clear, max for most kits is about 1.9V ( like PSC ) but some IC may need 2V+ to make max clocks or low timings on higher clocks ( BBSE, Micron D9 ) and also will need sub zero cooling.
My question: I have had several MBs for SB and IB and none of them has had the VCCIO adjustment. The other two, yes. But not the VCCIO which he notes as "main voltage to play with while overclocking memory" which is a problem for me.
I can, and have, adjusted the other two and acheived some limited success doing so, but I always wanted to do better and I keep seeing that VCCIO setting I can't find or adjust as maybe the answer to the problem of doing better at mem OCing.
So, if my BIOSs does not have it, then those boards with that kind of BIOS just can't do serious mem OCing? Or is there something else I can do?
Thanks bros!

I think your question has been answered, albeit partially...
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There is no problem with anyone who has something to add answering on this thread Matt-Matt! smile.gif We are a community here with lots of OC'ers who know all kinds of good OCing stuff! Anyone who knows something that might help another OCer is wellcome to answer. So thanks!
I have looked for the alternate names and have not found them either. I just wonder if some BIOS has better mem OCing support than others, as I know some of my MBs BIOS did have better or worse CPU OCing options. And maybe all of the MBs I am using just do not have the best mem OCing options in their BIOS - particularly the VCCIO. Hope there is more to it than that and something else I can do.... redface.gif

Some bioses DO have better ram overclocking ability, that's why I got my Maximus V Gene, it's pretty much one of the best at that, and everything that has to do with overclocking in general whilst being relatively cheap. The Sabertooth z77 has been known to have some issues overclocking and is a bit pricey for what it does, but well...I still find it odd that it has no qpi/vtt/vccio voltage to change.
Gigabyte has relatively decent ram overclocking, and Asrock OC Formula a bit better, but Asus ROG boards are still the best (or Crosshair V Z am3+ paired with an fx8150/fx8350 for absolute max clocks)
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I meant it's better to start with that instead of borking your Os install, but if you have an SSD reinstalling Windows ain't such a big deal lol
)

I have NEVER had a problem with the RAM corrupting my Windows 7 install.. Call me lucky I guess? tongue.gif
Using it now anyway, good program to test just the RAM itself seeing as I know my CPU is 20 hours P95 stable.
 
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Sorry, can you explain Hynix? Complete loss at that term. tongue.gif

Hynix is one of the many companies who make the actually memory ICs on the various available sticks. wink.gif
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16GB G.Skill Ares (4x4GB @ 1866MHz OC'd to 2133) Samsung 840 Evo 500GB WD Black 2.5" 750GB EK Supremacy EVO Acetal 
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Aquacool NeXXos UT60 240mm Radiator EK XE 360 Radiator x 2 EK-FC780 GTX Ti Acetal /w Backplate and Reinfor... 8 x EK Vardar F4 
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EK MOSFET ASUS M7G Acetal Nickel Windows 8 x64 Pro Dell U2711 (2560*1440) Dell P2715q 
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Ducky Shine 3 Year of the Snake Edition Corsair AX1200 Thermaltake Cube X2 
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i7 4790K 4.8GHz @ 1.306v (Actual) ASUS Maximus VII Gene Gigabyte GTX 780 Galaxy GTX 780 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
16GB G.Skill Ares (4x4GB @ 1866MHz OC'd to 2133) Samsung 840 Evo 500GB WD Black 2.5" 750GB EK Supremacy EVO Acetal 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Aquacool NeXXos UT60 240mm Radiator EK XE 360 Radiator x 2 EK-FC780 GTX Ti Acetal /w Backplate and Reinfor... 8 x EK Vardar F4 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
EK MOSFET ASUS M7G Acetal Nickel Windows 8 x64 Pro Dell U2711 (2560*1440) Dell P2715q 
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Ducky Shine 3 Year of the Snake Edition Corsair AX1200 Thermaltake Cube X2 
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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

Some bioses DO have better ram overclocking ability, that's why I got my Maximus V Gene, it's pretty much one of the best at that, and everything that has to do with overclocking in general whilst being relatively cheap. The Sabertooth z77 has been known to have some issues overclocking and is a bit pricey for what it does, but well...I still find it odd that it has no qpi/vtt/vccio voltage to change.
Gigabyte has relatively decent ram overclocking, and Asrock OC Formula a bit better, but Asus ROG boards are still the best (or Crosshair V Z am3+ paired with an fx8150/fx8350 for absolute max clocks)

Thanks ivanlabrie. I was hoping for better, but that's what I figured. redface.gif And the Sabertooth, although not a bad board, has been a dissapointment when it comes to OC ability. Mainly with mem and the missing VCCIO I would expect from this board. Overpriced for what it does is correct. I will look for another board next time.

MVG is a great board for OCing, but I do SLI and have a soundcard, so not enough slots.

When do you get your new chip and/or MB back? It seems it is taking forever.....
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3770K 4.5GHz Asus Sabertooth Z77 EVGA Gtx560ti 448 FTW (2x SLI) 16GB Crucial Ballistic Tactical 1866 9-9-9-24 1T 
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120GB SanDisk Extreme SSD  1TB WD Black Caviar  2TB Seagate Barracuda TSSTcorp cd/dvd/bd 
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Coursair H80 Win7 64 Acer 27" Wide LCD HD Logitech Black Illuminated 
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Coursair AX850 Cooler Master HAF 922  Kensington Yep! w/wristpad! 
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Xonar DX 7.1 PCIe Logitech Z906 5.1 
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2500K 4.5GHZ 24/7 Ausu P8Z68-M Pro ATI 5770 Kingston Blue 1333 16GB 
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Sandisk Extream 120GB SSD 750GB HDD CD/DVD Cooler Master 212 EVO 
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3770K Gaming Sys
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3770K 4.5GHz Asus Sabertooth Z77 EVGA Gtx560ti 448 FTW (2x SLI) 16GB Crucial Ballistic Tactical 1866 9-9-9-24 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
120GB SanDisk Extreme SSD  1TB WD Black Caviar  2TB Seagate Barracuda TSSTcorp cd/dvd/bd 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Coursair H80 Win7 64 Acer 27" Wide LCD HD Logitech Black Illuminated 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Coursair AX850 Cooler Master HAF 922  Kensington Yep! w/wristpad! 
AudioAudio
Xonar DX 7.1 PCIe Logitech Z906 5.1 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2500K 4.5GHZ 24/7 Ausu P8Z68-M Pro ATI 5770 Kingston Blue 1333 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Sandisk Extream 120GB SSD 750GB HDD CD/DVD Cooler Master 212 EVO 
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Win7 64bit 22" Flat Screen (non-wide) Yes! Corsair GS600 
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Cooler Master 912 Of course! nope intergrated & inexpensive speakers... 
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