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AMD Overclocking, what irony. tongue.gif

AMD is beast at overclocking, it's just the performance that's lacking

Also, it's a paradox, not irony. Get your literary terms right

Good thing English isn't going to be my major. tongue.gif
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Tried BCLK OCing... the highest was 102.5... and even then it was unstable! mad.gif
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post #6903 of 33794
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You don't overclock using BCLK....

i tried once, to use blck only to oc biggrin.gif

107 blck

108 blck

108 blck was the highest i got..not bad..yea, i had amd before intel too ..haha

theres a thread someone mentioned to me, its about the highest blck oc,
i think sin0822 was #1, with 115 blck, second one had 111 blck i think,
at first i thought i could get to 112blck ..but ..well, 108 blck was where it stopped for me,
but i didnt really spend mich time in trying to get higher,
i dont know how "bad" ocing with blck is for a mobo etc..

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Tried BCLK OCing... the highest was 102.5... and even then it was unstable! mad.gif

ive used 101blck for a while, upto 4.6-4.7ghz, above that is no go for any blck with my mobo,
4.7ghz 102blck ..no go..about 101.40 blck was max..
Edited by VonDutch - 1/2/13 at 12:42am
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and peace to that man! biggrin.gif

Just to clarify what I failed to say about googling on fan bearings and makes/models. in fact there's not much input on xinrulian fans, but mostly those are used by XSPC kit users AFAIK, not that many people buy them separately while Scythe brand is VERY popular among long time water coolers (same as Yate Loon is). I merely had in mind opinions of users (me included) on Scythe Slipstream vs Scythe GT or S-Flex series, those are most common to come across when googling.
As you said, probably I was unlucky, but then it does take a person aback to see over half a dozen sleeve fans die in same manner in just 3-9 months ... could be that Scythe Slipstreams are just so cheap and actually much worse than Yate Loon's ... maybe that's the case wink.gif

That relay you mentioned to shutdown when else fails. I have actually similar idea of a built-in fail safe, however I had planned to this using BIOS sensor reporting. My water pump is plugged into motherboard's CPU_OPT fan header, so I can see the pump RPM in BIOS or Windows (reported as CPU FAN) ... have yet to find a way to force a (software commanded) system shutdown when this reading goes to zero for more than 10 seconds or so. initially thought that BIOS would have such feature, but it seems a thing of past where air coolers were popular and CPu fan RPM at zero would event prevent system from POST, not so much on ROG BIOS unless I just can't find something like that in this BIOS. would need a software solution running in Windows to take care of that.

Happy New Year too! biggrin.gif
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A piece of advice if you run 24/7, and I do to. Get an Aquaero 5. Even the least expensive LT version will shut down your system w/ nothing more added than an inexpensive 12v relay if anything goes out of spec. From fans, to pumps, to just plain good old temps, it covers it all. biggrin.gif
You're right, we're not going to change either person's mind. That wasn't the intent at all. Just expressing that your bad experience doesn't mirror everyone's experience. No doubt sleeve bushings aren't the best, but that doesn't make them a bad option either. I bought mine because they were the best spec fans I could get with a build I was running out of budget on. They are not a permanent solution for me. However, you made it sound like every sleeve bushed fan is going to fail in a matter of months. That is an exception, not the rule. If failure rates were as common as you imply, no one would ever buy them, including the OEM's that use them (sleeve bushing fans) all the time with little ill effect.
You take much liberty with what I said in exaggerations. There is no further maintenance aside from filling the oil well one time at the beginning of their service life. In case you missed it, that is the point of using a PTFE based lubricant entirely. My old home server is a perfect case in point, 4 yrs running a set of Yate Loon's, with no issue or extra maintenance. For the record, I toss any fan that gives me the first sign of trouble too. wink.gif
To whit, I haven't seen any posts or articles complaining about these XSPC Xinrullian fans aside from yours. Google searches shows nothing that I have seen, aside from one person whose OEM pc had lost a fan, & not even the same model. Another claiming the the fans in OEM psu's were failing in 2003 (also without proof). So forgive me if I seem a little incredulous with an in absentia proof of failure, or performance being overstated, presented in a case you bring against these specific models. Without which, it is a moot point.
Consider the matter dropped. Good day sir, I truly wish you well in the new year. smile.gif
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Did a little prime testing at 4.7 last night. I think I've got a good starting point to compare my temps now after I delid. Certainly no golden chip here that's for sure but I think I'll be able to do 4.8 which is all I was hoping for with this chip so for that I'm happy biggrin.gif.

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strange, was doing some ocing this morning with 8bitclocker
to get to 5.2ghz..
i couldnt open my old cpuz validation files oc's anymore somehow, but got some back in the 5ghz club,

look what i had back then when i first oced to 5.2ghz, vcore wise,


this 5.2ghz i did this morning, 1.610V vcore i couldnt boot at

1.650V vcore i could boot, but i just took that vcore to be sure i could boot,
i disabled xmp profile as you can see with this run


the first 5.2ghz oc was done when it was -3C outside,
my comp is in the hallway, and i opened the frontdoor to let cold in, took a sidepanel off to lol
my coolest core idle was 0C,


today its almost 10C, so my coolest core is about 12-15C now
does that mean because of higher ambient temps, i need more vcore also, to get to the same oc?

im having this in mind,



my question is, is on air vcore lower also, if temps are way down?
if im wrong, could it be my chip is degrading?
ive done some crazy things with it, but not for long periods of time,
im thinking, temps where alot lower, and i did alot more finetuning all my settings,
to get lowest vcore to boot with..still strange i couldnt boot at 1.610V vcore
Edited by VonDutch - 1/2/13 at 6:30am
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Did a little prime testing at 4.7 last night. I think I've got a good starting point to compare my temps now after I delid. Certainly no golden chip here that's for sure but I think I'll be able to do 4.8 which is all I was hoping for with this chip so for that I'm happy biggrin.gif.

I need 1,420vcore for the same clock as you..... you may be able to get 5ghz on that baby.
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strange, was doing some ocing this morning with 8bitclocker
to get to 5.2ghz..
i couldnt open my old cpuz validation files oc's anymore somehow, but got some back in the 5ghz club,
look what i had back then when i first oced to 5.2ghz, vcore wise,

this 5.2ghz i did this morning, 1.610V vcore i couldnt boot at

1.650V vcore i could boot, but i just took that vcore to be sure i could boot,
i disabled xmp profile as you can see with this run
the first 5.2ghz oc was done when it was -3C outside,
my comp is in the hallway, and i opened the frontdoor to let cold in, took a sidepanel off to lol
my coolest core idle was 0C,

today its almost 10C, so my coolest core is about 12-15C now
does that mean because of higher ambient temps, i need more vcore also, to get to the same oc?
im having this in mind,

my question is, is on air vcore lower also, if temps are way down?
if im wrong, could it be my chip is degrading?
ive done some crazy things with it, but not for long periods of time,
im thinking, temps where alot lower, and i did alot more finetuning all my settings,
to get lowest vcore to boot with..still strange i couldnt boot at 1.610V vcore

When temps are below a certain threshold (depends on the chip) vcore will be much less for any ggiven clock.
That's why people freeze their chips for benching, it increases conductivity and thus you need less vcore.
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strange, was doing some ocing this morning with 8bitclocker
to get to 5.2ghz..
i couldnt open my old cpuz validation files oc's anymore somehow, but got some back in the 5ghz club,
look what i had back then when i first oced to 5.2ghz, vcore wise,

this 5.2ghz i did this morning, 1.610V vcore i couldnt boot at

1.650V vcore i could boot, but i just took that vcore to be sure i could boot,
i disabled xmp profile as you can see with this run
the first 5.2ghz oc was done when it was -3C outside,
my comp is in the hallway, and i opened the frontdoor to let cold in, took a sidepanel off to lol
my coolest core idle was 0C,

today its almost 10C, so my coolest core is about 12-15C now
does that mean because of higher ambient temps, i need more vcore also, to get to the same oc?
im having this in mind,

my question is, is on air vcore lower also, if temps are way down?
if im wrong, could it be my chip is degrading?
ive done some crazy things with it, but not for long periods of time,
im thinking, temps where alot lower, and i did alot more finetuning all my settings,
to get lowest vcore to boot with..still strange i couldnt boot at 1.610V vcore

I'd say a mix of both.. Mainly the CPU degrading though..
So clock it down I guess and don't play with the voltage past 1.45v or so..
 
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When temps are below a certain threshold (depends on the chip) vcore will be much less for any ggiven clock.
That's why people freeze their chips for benching, it increases conductivity and thus you need less vcore.

yea, thought the cold i had was good too, wasnt sure if the same goes for oc's, vcores and our temps on air,
0C is cold tho..of course still hot compared to dice/ln2 etc
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I'd say a mix of both.. Mainly the CPU degrading though..
So clock it down I guess and don't play with the voltage past 1.45v or so..

yep, my daily oc is about 1.310V vcore, 4.7ghz..
but didnt notice i need more vcore for the lower oc's ..
still find it hard to believe its already degrading,
but maybe running 1.850V vcore through it, wasnt a good idea after all ...LOL biggrin.gif
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