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Awesome Swag! I have yet to do that...Might be a good idea cause my TX750 cables are kinda wonky, a couple of them have tape covering some sleeving attempt or something lol (bought it used for dirt cheap and it works)
you don't have to sleeve the actual PSU wires if there is space in case to hide them. besides, that voids warranty in case you ever needed to replace the PSU. I usually just buy extensions for 24-pin, 8-pin and 6-pins and sleeve those with mdpc-x sleeving and their awesome heatshrink (one of best on the planet, none other has such heatshrinking capabilities).
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They lost him.......... mad.gif
that sucks ... have you insured the UPS/Fedex package? claim the insurance then and buy a new chip in Fry's.
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They lost him.......... mad.gif

That might be even better, after the remorse of them losing a customer's $300+ CPU maybe they will rush a new out to you right away.

Yea exactly. They are very good at handling customers and they normally end up adding a lot of extra things. Like in my case, they gave me some Intel things after a supervisor yelled at me saying that they won't honor the warranty. I called a different one and told them what happened and all was good. tongue.gif
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you don't have to sleeve the actual PSU wires if there is space in case to hide them. besides, that voids warranty in case you ever needed to replace the PSU. I usually just buy extensions for 24-pin, 8-pin and 6-pins and sleeve those with mdpc-x sleeving and their awesome heatshrink (one of best on the planet, none other has such heatshrinking capabilities).
that sucks ... have you insured the UPS/Fedex package? claim the insurance then and buy a new chip in Fry's.

Warranty? What? Bought a used Corsair unit overseas, I very, VERY much doubt that thing has any kind of remnant of a warranty. biggrin.gif
Extensions sound good for new units though, I should inform myself to see if any other psu manufacturer besides EVGA has got me covered for international orders. :/
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after seeing your chip no chip is that good anything over that is bad lol

Haha touché biggrin.gif.

Your chip did change our view of what a good chip was!

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This chip is amazing!
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mine is only a 3570k thou

That's I nice chip too!

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Also looked at your 5.5ghz validation.....only 1.616v vcore. God chip much?

Yea I guess it was pretty godly biggrin.gif.

That is why I so much want to know if that voltage is correct. I mean I hope it is, but it is soooo good that I just want a real voltmeter to confirm it! As I know you do too.

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Just got home and see that my mulimeter arrived. Can someone point me to a thread/guide on how to use one to test my voltages? Never used one before.

So cool! You got one! Great. Now we can soon see how good the programs read your vcore. Check your manual or do some web searches for the voltmeter reading points on your particular board. Some are easier than others to get to. Looking forward to what you find!

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DUDES!!! MAMA STICK IS GONNA HOOK IT UP!!!

Okay, so my mom is going up to Tennessee to see her mother (we are in South Carolina), and in order to get there she has to go through Atlanta. So I jokingly told her to just pop into Micro Center and grab me a new i5-3570K and ASRock Extreme6. Well after I explained to her what those things were, she asked where it (Micro Center) was and it just so happens to be on the way of where she is going and she has seen the building before!! So she agreed to pick me up a chip and CPU and it will run me only $300!!!! So I pre-ordered and have it all ready for her to pick up on Sunday!

Hopefully I get a much better chip than this first one that needs 1.41v for 4.5GHz and I can RMA this faulty ASUS P8Z77-V Pro...

That is so cool too stickg1! I hope she picks you out a winner!

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They lost him.......... mad.gif

That might be even better, after the remorse of them losing a customer's $300+ CPU maybe they will rush a new out to you right away.

Sorry to hear that Valgaur, but maybe it will end up better that way... biggrin.gif

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They lost him.......... mad.gif

That might be even better, after the remorse of them losing a customer's $300+ CPU maybe they will rush a new out to you right away.

Yea exactly. They are very good at handling customers and they normally end up adding a lot of extra things. Like in my case, they gave me some Intel things after a supervisor yelled at me saying that they won't honor the warranty. I called a different one and told them what happened and all was good. tongue.gif

I hope they give you something extra for losing Franky! Please let us know as soon as you hear anything!
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I plan to buy an i5 next week and just delid it first thing (it should make it easier, as it wont have a huge nh-d14 sitting on it making the glue harder to cut through).
will just get some single sided razors at cvs for it. dont have any liquids so just will be using pk-3.

Mine had a SB-E on it for about 4 months... So hard to get through but I did. I'd try the NH-D14 for a bit or even just the stock cooler to see what you can do for a comparison. As long as you don't plan to leave it on for ages.
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I just bought an Acer Iconia W700. It runs an i5-3317U. Reckon I could open it up and de-lid the chip? wink.gif

Probably answered...
But most laptops don't have IHS and they just have the die. Well i'm pretty sure all laptops do, my i7 720QM and even the Radeon 5730M both did.
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Cool, go for it man! You can always buy some Liquid Pro from sidewindercomputers.com and voila.

One day I might but I went with a 1.5g stick of PK-3 (and I got samples of pk1, pk2, and probably have 5 grams of thermal paste wiped off my gpu and doublewrapped in airtight bags for like junk applications when i re-tim'd my gpu...) because it seemed less extreme. I'm curious if liquid is even better than pk-3, I know it's better than pk-1 but pk-3 is significantly better than pk-1, like 3+ C* on just my phenom (which is 50's range, imagine with things like i5's where cpu is in the 80s, ie larger magnitudes of temps). You'd expect so, but given how much better pk3 is than pk1, I don't know if it's even a significant one.

Coollabotary's stuff is great but I know it's restrictive, from what I understand it damages aluminum (and I have a couple of those, and yes im aware that nickel plated copper or silver looking is not the same thing), so I went with a whole 1.5g (hey, that's like 10+ applications, it's a lifetime's supply basically) and I think it also damages copper (i might be wrong on that, but I think i read somewhere it does minor copper damage) and also that it works well by melting things together (maybe im confusing it with indigo on that one)?

It's also very expensive (granted $22 for 2+ *C temp drops is actually a very fair price, especially given the quantity it's more like $2.20, although $20 for ~1.5g of TIM is ridiculously expensive for thermal paste but still cheap in the grand scheme of things, and 1.5g is still a lot of applications), whereas most 'standard' high performance pastes are like... $9 for a 5g tube, $4 for 1.5g tube, $7 for 3.5, kinda range. As I see it, I think PK-3 is the best 'normal' paste in that it doesn't have major issues, compability, or price issues. Not that you should be deterred if a paste is like conductive or anything, but just saying.

So maybe one day, or hell why not indigo extreme?, but the important thing, as I understand it, is rubbing off the glue, not what TIM you use.
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quick OT question ... if my rig sometimes shuts down on its own at idle (once or twice a day so far) and then the power button is unresponsive until I power cycle the rocker switch on PSU ... does it mean the PSU is going out? as far as I can tell all voltages are normal when it runs (checked with multimeter via various plugs also with thin backprobe leads on hot terminals). it's a 9 month old Thermaltake ToughPower Grand 1050M.

Could be a million things, I've heard such issues when overclocking on i5. It could be an issue of idle/sleep voltages going too low to keep the CPU stable, for example (too high a vdroop or something, im not the expert on this). You could have faulty drivers too, power saving drivers, like AHCI version or s1/s3 sleep states. I'd start with bios, and/or stock settings.

PSUs can definitely fail, but in 9 months would be nothing short of a total lemon or some kind of manufacturing defect, and not normal. 1200w PSU is ridiculously overkill, even for SLI and overclock, a quality 550w+ should do fine on sli 670 + overclock (that would be the low end of it, granted, and you'd probably want a little more, but if you already have a quality 550w...).
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Belial, don't use PK-3, it's a horrible paste when compared to CLU ... unless you want to delid it twice then go for it, otherwise, waste of time.

I used pk-3 on IHS under cooling block and it's no better than MX-2 was. there was around 10C temps drop just by using CLU on the IHS. now imagine what it means for the die (under IHS)...
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Belial, don't use PK-3, it's a horrible paste when compared to CLU ... unless you want to delid it twice then go for it, otherwise, waste of time.
I used pk-3 on IHS under cooling block and it's no better than MX-2 was. there was around 10C temps drop just by using CLU on the IHS. now imagine what it means for the die (under IHS)...
yea im waiting for cl pro/ ultra to get here currently have mx-4 on die and i plan on using pro on the die and ultra on ihs. thumb.gif
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Could be a million things, I've heard such issues when overclocking on i5. It could be an issue of idle/sleep voltages going too low to keep the CPU stable, for example (too high a vdroop or something, im not the expert on this). You could have faulty drivers too, power saving drivers, like AHCI version or s1/s3 sleep states. I'd start with bios, and/or stock settings.
PSUs can definitely fail, but in 9 months would be nothing short of a total lemon or some kind of manufacturing defect, and not normal. 1200w PSU is ridiculously overkill, even for SLI and overclock, a quality 550w+ should do fine on sli 670 + overclock (that would be the low end of it, granted, and you'd probably want a little more, but if you already have a quality 550w...).

I didn't have this problem before on same bIOS and same daily OC settings, it's something new, started less than a week ago. my rig pulls up to 800W under full load (e.g. folding on cpu + 2x 670) or when stress testing components at same time (e.g. IBT on CPU + Furmark on SLI in full screen) or benchmarking 3dmark11.

I want to stay below 80% max use of PSU nominal capacity (hence why I aim at 1050W), it helps to keep them strong for long even considering the capacitors aging, besides I might get a third 670 in a year or so instead of upgrading 670 SLI to 770 or so, hence why I need PSU wattage/amperage headroom and also am running tons of accessories (24V water pump, 12 fans, 3 cold cathodes, 4 LEDs, multiple USB devices powered from mainboard, etc.).

However I suspect somehow AIDA64 having something to do with those crashes (no BSOD, just a sudden shutdown) or my CPU not liking the 4.9GHz on offsets any longer (was no problem for a month) or PSU going out or something quirky going on in BIOS or on MB hardware ... quite a few possibilities ...

It started pretty much shortly after I did 3 things:
a) few days after I upgraded to 670 SLI (from a single 670)
b) started running AIDA64 in background at all times
c) swapped one of inverters for cold cathodes (I shorted the old one with spilled water).

Just to be sure, it happens only at idle and after some time the comp was left alone AND was in use for a few hours before. Just hoping it's not the MB ...
Edited by feniks - 1/4/13 at 9:44pm
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it's not like your going to overcock your laptop so why in the world would you delid it? Way too much risk to be worth it... there are better things you can do to drop temps.
Im sure it's possible but I'm just gonna delid it first thing.
On a side note, what's the deal with ram voltage on i5 system? Sorry, I come from AMD where there isn't any connection between the two, I just raised my ram voltage to 1.8v and maxed it out (ram is cheap, and 1.7-1.8 is considered generally the highest 24/7 limit, so 1.8 is a little bit extreme for 24/7 but whatever). Like it's okay to overvolt ram as long as you raise some other voltage within .5v of it? Hard to find a straight answer with a bunch of idiots saying "dont overvolt ram ever!" on search results on TH and such.

You can overvolt ram no prob, thing is for 24/7 the imc might suffer a bit if you push it past 1.75v, and depends on the ram chip if it will scale with volts or not.
Give it a try see how far it goes with your desired voltage to see if it's worth it. Try a notch lower vdimm and see if it gets to the same oc, not such a big deal really.

Yea I'm aware that RAM might not appreciate more than 1.65v so I'll see. I'm just planning to be okay with overvolting ram to the extreme limits for voltage for 24/7 overclock - RAM is so cheap, so I'm okay with doing a bit of damage or hurting it's life a bit. As I understand it, most ram is okay for 1.7-1.8v, and I know what IC it is makes a difference.

I'm currently looking to buy, for something like $18.99, the 2 x 2GB Crucial Ballstix Tactical Tracers (the ones with LED and slightly lower profile, not the obnoxious tacticals with huge, tall heatspreaders - even though the huge talls ones would be $1-2 cheaper and have 1866CL9 1.5v vs the 1600mhzCL8 1.5v of the tactical tracers, although those specs are basically the exact same thing anyways). I'll research more into them, but basically I'm okay with maxing their volts out if need be, even if it doesn't do much (if it does anything, im okay with it, basically).

So for the safety of the chip, don't go past 1.75 ram voltage, basically? There isn't something like you can raise IMC voltage and make things all okay? Kind of weird how that all works, coming from AMD where you can just ramp up the volts on ram and it won't damage the CPU in any way. I do plan to overvolt my vcore to like 1.5 - as I understand it, 1.4 is the limit for 24/7 but I'm okay with a little more (nh-d14 and delid should hopefully make it so temps aren't a limiting factor) and that 1.5 is somewhat okay or something.

For 24/7 overclocks, I mean. I'm not particularly into benching, just the most stability I can get for a 24/7 overclock and a 30+ hour prime95 blend test w/max ram.
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Mine had a SB-E on it for about 4 months... So hard to get through but I did. I'd try the NH-D14 for a bit or even just the stock cooler to see what you can do for a comparison. As long as you don't plan to leave it on for ages.

The last few weeks I've reseated 3 heatsinks like 10 times each. I'm okay, delidding clearly provides such clear results that I don't think I need to worry about if the delid actually drops temps or not.

Now, I might lap the CPU (it doesnt sound like lapping results in significant cooling reduction, maybe just a couple degrees at best, and while I'm all for doing that kind of thing just for a degree or two, and it might even be a good idea to just go ahead and lap it while I'm at it, ie waiting a week for parts to come in and delidding the cpu before installation), and in that case, I'll probably try out the cpu before lapping.re
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