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I delidded my new 3570K last night and used CLP on both the die and IHS.

Here are my results. 29C drop ain't bad biggrin.gif.
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Just forgot to ask before... Why is there a "32nm" section? tongue.gif
 
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Originally Posted by PuffinMyLye View Post

I delidded my new 3570K last night and used CLP on both the die and IHS.
Here are my results. 29C drop ain't bad biggrin.gif.

This one was in your emulator box or your rig? Basically, water or air? And also what was your vcore during load for 4.7? I am assuming 1.04v is not it.
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Originally Posted by chronicfx View Post

This one was in your emulator box or your rig? Basically, water or air? And also what was your vcore during load for 4.7? I am assuming 1.04v is not it.

It's my main rig. Picked up a 3570k to replace the 3770k I just parted with. Vcore is 1.282 under load. And it's under water.
post #7305 of 33561
Nice. I have a 4.7 setting in bios and I am getting 65 degrees max with prime. So your temps are great, my vcore is 1.272v on load. But gaming it rarely cracks 50 degrees.
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I personally LOVE this review because they used mayonnaise, chocolate, lipstick, toothpaste, butter and spray oil in it. the best one I have ever seen, none others did

Have you ever used ICD? spread method is the ONLY method that actually works best with it, period.
also try dot in middle method with CLU or CLP, LMAO, good luck ...
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Yea dot method might not work too well with some of the specialty stuff like CLU/CLP, but in general it's much better than spreading.

They might have mayonnaise/chocolate/etc in their review, but their benches are terribly inaccurate so it doesn't mean anything. They also are testing stock voltages - the true heat profiles of compounds does not reveal itself until you push the higher temp ranges and powers. A Hyper 212 EVO is also going to be one of the best performing heatsinks in the world

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-EVO-CPU-Cooler-Review/1407/6

Look, as consistent with the fact that HDT coolers outperform better coolers at lower temp ranges - they show the Hyper 212 Evo as being better than an NH-D14 (significanlty so) and Gamer Storm Assassin and Megahalems (which aren't great but still much better than 212)... When you start pushing higher temp ranges, the lower end products will fall by the wayside. Lipstick sounds okay in their benches, but if you put lipstick on a 4.5+ 1.3v+ sandy bridge your going to be sorry.
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Edit: go to sidewindercomputers.com and search for liquid pro there. It's much cheaper there.

Thanks but out of stock.
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why would you use a dot method with a tim , when the manual says to spread it,
why spread it, when manual says, use dot or line method
liquid pro/ultra need to be spread out, simple ..

Many companies say to use the spread method, it doesn't mean it's better. The spread method is terrible for thermal paste spreading, it's just idiot proof is all. But as I understand it CLU and other specialty pastes can't exactly be applied with dot method.
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This is a message to all the delidders and future delidders!

Valgaur and I are in the middle of trying to make this club better than now. I have suggested we put another spreadsheet in the OP for people who have failed their delid, how many times they have failed, and whether they have succeeded in a different attempt.

Would this be good or something that will not appreciated? Answers would like to be given quickly so we don't waste time making something that won't help anyone.

Please do so, because I've been trying to figure out how people have failed and I can't find it through 73 pages x 100 posts...
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Originally Posted by liamstears 
Secondly, real world gains? For most of us NONE! Did it decrease temps? at a moderate overclock of 4.4? NO! I will do further testing though but considering I'm still hitting over 80C at only 4.4 I'm 99% sure this hasn't help

yea at 4.4 ghz of course there's not going to be a difference if you delid...

Your also using a radial, low end cooler... being only in the 80's with basically a slightly improved stock cooler at 4.4ghz is pretty good.

It doesn't really sound like you know what you are doing, you shouldn't be making comments about how terrible delidding is if you can't do it right. Come back when you push 4.5+ ghz, 1.3v+, and get a decent tower, closed loop, or water cooling.

Also, MX-4 is not great paste. I wouldn't be surprised if the stock TIM was better. Why in the world would you use something as poor as MX-4 for a delid job. I'm getting a ton of crap just for saying I'm gonna use PK-3 instead of CLU/CLP for a delid job, and PK-3 is at least a few degrees better than MX-4.
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Ok sounds like I'm going with some Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra or Pro

But which to go for?

You should go for Ultra, not Pro. I don't know why anyone would recommend pro -_-

Ultra is literally just an updated version of pro. It's just superior, it's pro but much more convenient to use and the same, if not better, performance.
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ok so i give up on trying to get 5ghz stable on my crappy asrock extrem4 dont get me wrong it is a good mobo for the price and all but its just not working out for me mad.gif
ive done everything to try to get 5ghz stable it just cant . ive lasted longer @ 1.385v @5ghz than at 1.425v - 1.45v. @5ghz in prime and ibt wackosmiley.gif.
i dont no what to do but this is why i think my mobo is crap and i need a better 1. i been tryn to get this stable for weeks.

so now that i said that does any1 want to buy it 100$ shipped lol

or could it be just the chip i dont no

also i dont see my name on the spread sheet but thats ok because im only using mx-4 on die and and ihs
im still waiting for pro/ultra to get her and i ll be using pro on the die and ultra on the ihs then u can add me biggrin.gif



after delid and my ambient temps were 5c-7c higher

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Many companies say to use the spread method, it doesn't mean it's better. The spread method is terrible for thermal paste spreading, it's just idiot proof is all. But as I understand it CLU and other specialty pastes can't exactly be applied with dot method.

this is pointed at me so,

show me "many companies" that say to use spread method?


i know of 1 company that advices to use the spreadmethod,
this is from their manual, i downloaded and read it when i bought mine,
you can download it here to check if you like,
http://www.coollaboratory.com/en/products/liquid-pro/

Instructions: How to use "Coollaboratory Liquid Pro"

How to apply “Coollaboratory Liquid Pro”

Now you may apply a small amount of "Coollaboratory Liquid Pro" to the cooler surface's center. Do not use too
much, you will be amazed at how little you need. To begin with, do not use more than a little drop. Remember that
Liquid Metal's purpose is to fill tiny gaps, not to drip from the cooler. Now spread out the "Coollaboratory Liquid
Pro" evenly across the cooler's surface from center to the sides.
You may use a thin paint brush, a "Q-Tip" cotton
swab or anything similar. Do not use your finger (greasy surface). Powder free rubber gloves may be used. Once
done with this work, your cooler's surface should shine like a mirror.

Note: You may also apply Liquid Metal to both the die or to the cooler's surface and the die. Make sure the
applied amount is not too large.

Please note: When applying Liquid Metal, a little more care is necessary compared to the application of
conventional pastes. But you are rewarded with a much better performance! Anyone without any experience in
dealing with computer hardware should pick another paste with a much poorer performance from other
manufacturers.

of course theres the youtube vid from the company,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFhbqiFh9Us
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Please do so, because I've been trying to figure out how people have failed and I can't find it through 73 pages x 100 posts...
yea at 4.4 ghz of course there's not going to be a difference if you delid...
Your also using a radial, low end cooler... being only in the 80's with basically a slightly improved stock cooler at 4.4ghz is pretty good.
It doesn't really sound like you know what you are doing, you shouldn't be making comments about how terrible delidding is if you can't do it right. Come back when you push 4.5+ ghz, 1.3v+, and get a decent tower, closed loop, or water cooling.
Also, MX-4 is not great paste. I wouldn't be surprised if the stock TIM was better. Why in the world would you use something as poor as MX-4 for a delid job. I'm getting a ton of crap just for saying I'm gonna use PK-3 instead of CLU/CLP for a delid job, and PK-3 is at least a few degrees better than MX-4.
You should go for Ultra, not Pro. I don't know why anyone would recommend pro -_-
Ultra is literally just an updated version of pro. It's just superior, it's pro but much more convenient to use and the same, if not better, performance.

Umm people are recommending PRO because a lot of us have used both and get better results with PRO. Please do some research before coming in here and speaking your mind. You truly are digging yourself a deep hole and you have no credibility. You have no factual information backing up ANY of your statements.

Pro works better for on the bare die after delidding, Ultra works better on top of the IHS. This has been proven through actual USE!

In regards to the guy you said had terrible cooling, he has an $80 air cooler that outperforms many CLCs. That is not terrible cooling, and I did my reference test at 4.3GHz and still got a 20C drop in temps. So it doesn't matter what frequency or voltage, if you do it right, you get temperature drops.

And as far as failures go, there are multiple things that can go wrong when delidding a chip.

1. Accidently scratch the PCB of the CPU when removing the glue
2. Accidently nick the corner of the CPU
3. Accidently let the IHS slip when clamping the chip into place and damage your LGA pins
4. Accidently let the razor go too far and damage the die itself.

Just to name a few...

Please refer to the first page and look at the table, on average people that used PRO on the die have lower temperature difference than those who use ULTRA or anything else for that matter on the die.
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Originally Posted by VonDutch View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Belial View Post


Many companies say to use the spread method, it doesn't mean it's better. The spread method is terrible for thermal paste spreading, it's just idiot proof is all. But as I understand it CLU and other specialty pastes can't exactly be applied with dot method.

this is pointed at me so,

show me "many companies" that say to use spread method?


i know of 1 company that advices to use the spreadmethod,
this is from their manual, i downloaded and read it when i bought mine,
you can download it here to check if you like,
http://www.coollaboratory.com/en/products/liquid-pro/

Instructions: How to use "Coollaboratory Liquid Pro"

How to apply “Coollaboratory Liquid Pro”

Now you may apply a small amount of "Coollaboratory Liquid Pro" to the cooler surface's center. Do not use too
much, you will be amazed at how little you need. To begin with, do not use more than a little drop. Remember that
Liquid Metal's purpose is to fill tiny gaps, not to drip from the cooler. Now spread out the "Coollaboratory Liquid
Pro" evenly across the cooler's surface from center to the sides.
You may use a thin paint brush, a "Q-Tip" cotton
swab or anything similar. Do not use your finger (greasy surface). Powder free rubber gloves may be used. Once
done with this work, your cooler's surface should shine like a mirror.

Note: You may also apply Liquid Metal to both the die or to the cooler's surface and the die. Make sure the
applied amount is not too large.

Please note: When applying Liquid Metal, a little more care is necessary compared to the application of
conventional pastes. But you are rewarded with a much better performance! Anyone without any experience in
dealing with computer hardware should pick another paste with a much poorer performance from other
manufacturers.

of course theres the youtube vid from the company,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFhbqiFh9Us

http://www.prolimatech.com/en/support/index.asp?itemid=20

http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appmeth/int/ss/intel_app_method_surface_spread_v1.1.pdf

Bam.

I know the company might say one thing, but real world tests show the spread method to be terrible. I even did multiple spread and dot/line/rice testing and found spread was the worst (although not nearly as bad as using too much paste, and it's nearly impossible to use too little paste).

Now everyone says 'clu is different', and I'm sure it is. So I'm not sure about it. I would think dot/rice grain/etc method would be best for it too, but as I understand you cant do that with CLU.
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Umm people are recommending PRO because a lot of use have used both and get better results with PRO. Please do some research before coming in here and speaking your mind. You truly are digging yourself a deep hole and you have no credibility. You have no factual information backing up ANY of your statements.

The coolaboratory website. Plenty of people have said Ultra is better.

There aren't many benches out there, but I think the company is a reliable source on this, especially given that Ultra is an update to Pro, rather than a completely new paste (although it is that too).

I think that's factual enough to back it up, as there aren't any benches out there on the matter. It would be like saying PK-2 is better than PK-1, even though test results (the few out there) show them to be basically identical, PK-2 is an update of PK-1 and, according to the company, is supposed to be slightly better.
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Please refer to the first page and look at the table, on average people that used PRO on the die have lower temperature difference than those who use ULTRA or anything else for that matter on the die.

That is so not a reliable way to judge how a thermal paste compares to another thermal material lol...
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In regards to the guy you said had terrible cooling, he has an $80 air cooler that outperforms many CLCs. That is not terrible cooling, and I did my reference test at 4.3GHz and still got a 20C drop in temps. So it doesn't matter what frequency or voltage, if you do it right, you get temperature drops.

You are right, it is an $80 cooler, but it is not a performance cooler. It's $80 because it's Noctua and low profile, not because it's performance cooling.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/noctua_nhc14_review/4.htm

I hope OC-club is a reliable source, I don't recall any issues with their tests.

20*C drop at your reference test at 4.3ghz simply means you got huge results. And was that strictly from delidding, or because you applied CLU on both the IHS and die, maybe changed coolers? It wouldn't be fair to compare a 20*C drop from using CLU on both your die and IHS, to someone using MX-4 on his die and IHS... You could probably get close to 10*C drop using CLU vs MX-4 just on the IHS.

I may not have delidded an i5 yet, but you don't need to be so disrespectful towards me. I have done a ****ton of thermal testing with varying pastes (granted, not CLU) and heatsinks over the last few weeks, I've been around for a while (been here longer than you...). I am not saying anything huge here by saying that Liquid Ultra is an update to the Liquid Pro, it's on the company website. There is hardly 'proof' of pro being better than ultra.
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Delidded i7-3770K 5GHz@1.499 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H 1.1 Sapphire Dual-X 7950 3L Boost 4x2GB Mushkin Ridgeback 2200mhz 8/11/8/27 1.75v... 
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Intel X25-M 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 Noctua 120/140/140 Fans 3 x Yate Loon Mediums (Petras) 2 x NZXT Havik 140mm Fans 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64-bit Sanyo DP19640 19'' KDS Radius Rad-7xp 17'' Ducky 1087 MX Brown 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Rosewill Capstone 550w Modular NZXT Source 210 w/Modded Window Razer Deathadder 3.5G Steelseries Blizzcon D3 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Phillips FW-C250 2 Speaker Set w/3 CD Changer JBL Sub 6 Subwoofer NZXT Sleeved LED Strip 1m Blue NZXT Sentry 2 Fan Controller 
Other
Colonial Blue Paracord Sleeving 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom ii X4 955C2, $31, 5 broken pins, works! ... Biostar A770e3 6.3 Red&Black MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr II 2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1333 OC to 1348CL7@1.65v 
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Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 6 x Case Fans (4 x YL-M, NZXT case fan, CM Hype... Jerryrigged Chipset-Northbridge 80mm HSF 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Earthwatts 430D NZXT Gamma Steelseries Kinzu Optical Steelseries Blizzcon Diablo 3 
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Haswell i7-4770K 4.8GHz@1.452v/1.97vRIN Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H Older Gigabyte 7950 (H60 Mod) 2x4GB Gskill 2400CL11 Hynix CFRs 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 830 128gb Corsair H110 w/4x 140mm Yate Loon High Blues W7 x64 Ultimate Yarrgh Matey Dell U2312HM Matte IPS 1080p 
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Sanyo DP19640 18.5" 768p KDS Rad-7xp 1024p CM Storm Quickfire Rapids Brown Rosewill Capstone 750 
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Bitfenix Shinobi Modded CM Storm Spawn Steelseries Diablo 3 2 set CD Speaker + Big Sub 
Other
Bitfenix Recon Fan Controller Moded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Delidded i7-3770K 5GHz@1.499 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H 1.1 Sapphire Dual-X 7950 3L Boost 4x2GB Mushkin Ridgeback 2200mhz 8/11/8/27 1.75v... 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 Noctua 120/140/140 Fans 3 x Yate Loon Mediums (Petras) 2 x NZXT Havik 140mm Fans 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64-bit Sanyo DP19640 19'' KDS Radius Rad-7xp 17'' Ducky 1087 MX Brown 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Rosewill Capstone 550w Modular NZXT Source 210 w/Modded Window Razer Deathadder 3.5G Steelseries Blizzcon D3 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Phillips FW-C250 2 Speaker Set w/3 CD Changer JBL Sub 6 Subwoofer NZXT Sleeved LED Strip 1m Blue NZXT Sentry 2 Fan Controller 
Other
Colonial Blue Paracord Sleeving 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom ii X4 955C2, $31, 5 broken pins, works! ... Biostar A770e3 6.3 Red&Black MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr II 2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1333 OC to 1348CL7@1.65v 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 6 x Case Fans (4 x YL-M, NZXT case fan, CM Hype... Jerryrigged Chipset-Northbridge 80mm HSF 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Earthwatts 430D NZXT Gamma Steelseries Kinzu Optical Steelseries Blizzcon Diablo 3 
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