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well that was just the results of a quick 20 second search.

I did tons of remounts and reseating and such with PK1, PK2, PK3, and some other pastes and heatsinks. Spread is significantly worse than just using dot/grain/etc method. Although what's most important is how much paste you use. I'm sure you've heard the whole air bubble thing with using spread method, I don't know how true that is but in my experience it seems likely because spread was always worse.

I even contacted Prolimatech about it, they said use spread method, it's the best, so on and so forth. Didn't hold true in multiple tests I did, on multiple heatsinks. I'll be throwing up a thread about it in a bit, with graphs and all.
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20*C drop at your reference test at 4.3ghz simply means you got huge results. And was that strictly from delidding, or because you applied CLU on both the IHS and die, maybe changed coolers? It wouldn't be fair to compare a 20*C drop from using CLU on both your die and IHS, to someone using MX-4 on his die and IHS... You could probably get close to 10*C drop using CLU vs MX-4 just on the IHS.
I may not have delidded an i5 yet, but you don't need to be so disrespectful towards me. I have done a ****ton of thermal testing with varying pastes (granted, not CLU) and heatsinks over the last few weeks, I've been around for a while (been here longer than you...). I am not saying anything huge here by saying that Liquid Ultra is an update to the Liquid Pro, it's on the company website. There is hardly 'proof' of pro being better than ultra.

My testing was done with the same IHS TIM, the same cooler, on the same system, with the same CPU using the same frequency and voltages. That is how you have a control in your testing and get valid results to compare one thing to another.

My testing was Antec Formula 7 Nano Diamond on die vs CL PRO on die though where I got 15C. From stock intel TIM to Antec 7 I got 6C. So that is 21C difference from stock. But it's had to directly compare because I can't go back in time and test directly against stock.

It's hard not to get annoyed with you. This is not the first thread where you try to argue peoples ACTUAL experience as being false over your mere speculations. You have never delidded a CPU, you have never owned an Ivy CPU, you have never used CL ULTRA or PRO. Yet you speak as you are the leading authority on the matter. It's arrogant and will get you nowhere in a thread like this.

Yes you have been a member of OCN for longer than me. I am new to OCN, I am not new to being a PC enthusiast. You can find me on other forums as well.
Edited by stickg1 - 1/5/13 at 1:14pm
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@Belial,
can you quote with member names?, having a hard time knowing who's talking to you,
and who says what etc smile.gif
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well that was just the results of a quick 20 second search.
I'm sure you've heard the whole air bubble thing with using spread method, I don't know how true that is but in my experience it seems likely because spread was always worse.
I even contacted Prolimatech about it, they said use spread method, it's the best, so on and so forth. Didn't hold true in multiple tests I did, on multiple heatsinks. I'll be throwing up a thread about it in a bit, with graphs and all.

maybe you didnt spread it well then smile.gif

i will be looking forward to that thread,
you having your own thread would be good..lol thumb.gif

im tired, laters peeps wink.gif
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I am very much interested in when you get to actually test your voltages PuffinMyLye. Ihave considered a board like yours and want to know how close the vcore readings are to a multimeter, especially considering the great vcore you get with your chips. You have changed my idea of what a good chip is with your last 3770K! Any feedback from the new owner yet?

I'm curious too.
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I am very much interested in when you get to actually test your voltages PuffinMyLye. Ihave considered a board like yours and want to know how close the vcore readings are to a multimeter, especially considering the great vcore you get with your chips. You have changed my idea of what a good chip is with your last 3770K! Any feedback from the new owner yet?
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I'm curious too.

Check back in later tonight fellas. I'm going to test it out at a few different voltages tonight after the football games thumb.gif. No word from the new owner yet but it was shipped to the UK so it probably won't get there till the end of next week.

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great result biggrin.gif CLP all the way, hmm? hehe, nice, personally I wouldn't use it on the IHS (under cooling block) as it might be a pain to remove later on, but not necessarily so as some reported. anyways, nice result!

not too shabby vcore, pretty fine for daily use. I guess it won't do 5GHz with 1.45V (or 1.38 as your former golden i7)? yeah, youre right, who cares about meaningless benching, if all we really do is use them daily while gaming or so heh..

Yea I've used CLP on the IHS with all 3 chips I've delidded and it's not too hard to get off. You just use the scrubber the CLP comes with to "sand" it off and then some IPA to finish it off, takes 2 minutes.

And yes this chip is certainly nowhere near my 3770K but it does appear to be an above average 3570 and that's all I was hoping for. I loved the "idea" of the 3770K but I was never going to put it to any real world use so I think I made the right decision especailly with the upgrade I really needed to make. If I can run this chip at 4.8Ghz 24/7 which looks promising especially considering my max temps of 54C at 4.7, I will be one happy man biggrin.gif.
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Check back in later tonight fellas. I'm going to test it out at a few different voltages tonight after the football games thumb.gif. No word from the new owner yet but it was shipped to the UK so it probably won't get there till the end of next week.
Yea I've used CLP on the IHS with all 3 chips I've delidded and it's not too hard to get off. You just use the scrubber the CLP comes with to "sand" it off and then some IPA to finish it off, takes 2 minutes.
And yes this chip is certainly nowhere near my 3770K but it does appear to be an above average 3570 and that's all I was hoping for. I loved the "idea" of the 3770K but I was never going to put it to any real world use so I think I made the right decision especailly with the upgrade I really needed to make. If I can run this chip at 4.8Ghz 24/7 which looks promising especially considering my max temps of 54C at 4.7, I will be one happy man biggrin.gif.

If the review is correct the vcore should be .04 to .06 low in Cpu-z on our boards. Hopefully it was just sins board that was off.
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If the review is correct the vcore should be .04 to .06 low in Cpu-z on our boards. Hopefully it was just sins board that was off.

.040 to .060?
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If the review is correct the vcore should be .04 to .06 low in Cpu-z on our boards. Hopefully it was just sins board that was off.

Yea I've seen Sins review and while I do expect the actual vcore to be somewhat higher than CPUz and the ASRock utility are reading, I'm hoping it's not THAT big of a difference.
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Umm people are recommending PRO because a lot of us have used both and get better results with PRO. Please do some research before coming in here and speaking your mind. You truly are digging yourself a deep hole and you have no credibility. You have no factual information backing up ANY of your statements.
Pro works better for on the bare die after delidding, Ultra works better on top of the IHS. This has been proven through actual USE!
In regards to the guy you said had terrible cooling, he has an $80 air cooler that outperforms many CLCs. That is not terrible cooling, and I did my reference test at 4.3GHz and still got a 20C drop in temps. So it doesn't matter what frequency or voltage, if you do it right, you get temperature drops.
And as far as failures go, there are multiple things that can go wrong when delidding a chip.
1. Accidently scratch the PCB of the CPU when removing the glue
2. Accidently nick the corner of the CPU
3. Accidently let the IHS slip when clamping the chip into place and damage your LGA pins
4. Accidently let the razor go too far and damage the die itself.
Just to name a few...
Please refer to the first page and look at the table, on average people that used PRO on the die have lower temperature difference than those who use ULTRA or anything else for that matter on the die.

I've yet to see anyone post actual comparisons between Ultra and Pro. If you have used both, as you claim, then can you post results? I personally don't believe Pro is better but am waiting for some to arrive so I can compare them both.

Some dude on the Xtreme Systems forums posts that Pro has a thermal conductivity of 82w/mk and Ultra has only 32w/mk and people believe it. He posted no sources to back his claim and most importantly Coollaboratory does not have this info on their website. I emailed them but they didn't reply. I found a webpage in German, where Coolabs are from which rates Ultra the same as Pro (http://www.pc-max.de/artikel/kuehlung/coollaboratory-liquid-ultra/5863) Without official data from Coollabs we can't really say. The only way to know for sure is to test them, which is what I'll be doing once the Liquid Pro arrives
Edited by tw33k - 1/5/13 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by PuffinMyLye View Post

Yea I've seen Sins review and while I do expect the actual vcore to be somewhat higher than CPUz and the ASRock utility are reading, I'm hoping it's not THAT big of a difference.

lets hope. mine is off up to .068 off. yes I have a Fatal1ty board. Thats why when I give voltage its from my Fluke DMM not software values. I know of another Asrock board that acts just like mine does. I won't discuss it here because I do not have first hand experience with that board.
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