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What are we even arguing about here? I think we have a pretty darn good sample size to prove that CLP is the way to go. It's like anything else, if there were other TIM's shown (through personal experience not reviews) by fellow members to perform better, clearly people would be using that TIM. This is the delidded crewman club, most of us are delidding because we are after top performance and we're not going to just use a product that is inferior strictly because others SAY it's good. The proof is in the pudding. If a few months from now I saw that a different TIM has been shown by fellow delidders to perform better than CLP, I'd be trying that on my next delid.
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So lets look at this from an economical/marketing stand-point. CoolLabs takes this feedback, spends money to develop a better product, they have to add more chemicals to said product, thus production cost rises. So now they have to sell this stuff for more than the PRO. Well if it's not better than the PRO but it costs more for the consumer, how do they sell it? I'll tell you how, market it as an updated version of the PRO. People say, "Wow, the PRO was pretty good but now they released the Ultra, it must be better." And in some cases with heatsink and IHS, it is better. But when you do a side by side comparison on a direct die, you get results like this guy:

Conspiracies! It's sure great you have such a deep understanding of how to manufacture thermal paste and the decisions the company goes through, surely it has nothing to do with the fact that maybe costs went down for one of many possible reasons (better technology, better equipment, easier to manufacturer, etc), that they figured out what they needed for high end thermal paste and how to make it better, etc. The price increase from CLP to CLU is also quite substantial, you think it costs Coollab $2 extra per tube for the extra goodies that they put in clu vs clp?

those bastards. they lie to us. now lets keep buying their paste. their probably republicans too.
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What are we even arguing about here? I think we have a pretty darn good sample size to prove that CLP is the way to go. It's like anything else, if there were other TIM's shown (through personal experience not reviews) by fellow members to perform better, clearly people would be using that TIM. This is the delidded crewman club, most of us are delidding because we are after top performance and we're not going to just use a product that is inferior strictly because others SAY it's good. The proof is in the pudding. If a few months from now I saw that a different TIM has been shown by fellow delidders to perform better than CLP, I'd be trying that on my next delid.

For the longest time everyone said AS5 was the best, even though much better pastes came out long ago that significantly outperfomed it. As is the case with pc parts, takes a while for something to get popular. I dont think it's correct to say just because everyone uses something, that it's the best. It took years before people moved on from as5, i mean you still got people saying the best.

I'm not saying one way or the other CLU vs CLP, there doesnt seem to be any evidence on way or the other, but given that Coollab released CLU as an updated version of CLP, I would think it's better, or at least equal in performance but just easier to deal with. So most people in here have used CLP, that would make sense since CLP has been around longer... and you can't go by who got the most temp drops, or else it'd stand to say clp is terrible (the lowest result is CLP, at 6*C) and CLU is the best (31*C drop).

anyways im sure clu/clp >>> pk3. ill post results with pk3 and if i find i need more degrees ill buy some clp or clu first thing. maybe ill get lucky and get a chip that doesnt even need to be delidded.
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What are we even arguing about here? I think we have a pretty darn good sample size to prove that CLP is the way to go. It's like anything else, if there were other TIM's shown (through personal experience not reviews) by fellow members to perform better, clearly people would be using that TIM. This is the delidded crewman club, most of us are delidding because we are after top performance and we're not going to just use a product that is inferior strictly because others SAY it's good. The proof is in the pudding. If a few months from now I saw that a different TIM has been shown by fellow delidders to perform better than CLP, I'd be trying that on my next delid.

Dude what are you talking about? Obviously PK3 is the only TIM that is worth a damn. Belial hasn't actually delidded a chip, nor does he own an Ivy, but obviously he knows everything there is to know about thermal conductivity...

I'm just going to do what ever he says because he posts links to review sites from over a year ago, unlike you guys that post your actual experiences which are clearly a hoax and you're all on the payroll from Cool Labs...
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This is a message to all Delidded enthusiasts/members

After receiving an input on a certain matter, please use under your own discretion whether or not you want to take that piece of information. Please do not bombard this thread and fight against each other for something so small! This thread is supposed to be where people can help others get into delid and pass off information they have obtained from a different source (OT sometimes tongue.gif)!

If you guys want to rant about whichever paste is better or why this is better, please go make your own thread about it. If you want to merely discuss specifications of products, then you can use this thread!



@Belial
I have seen you in my other thread and the same thing is occurring here. If you must rant or argue about specifics on pastes, please make your own thread. No need to fight in a club that isn't meant to argue about such minute things.
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Remember guys when I get Franky 2.0 I'll be doing a ton of pictures on the process and using art to diagram everything correctly. This way we can have a very thorough guide here.
Swag wanna help me out with this as well?

Val, you don't wanna delid your old chip man.
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http://www.prolimatech.com/en/support/index.asp?itemid=20
http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appmeth/int/ss/intel_app_method_surface_spread_v1.1.pdf
Bam.
I know the company might say one thing, but real world tests show the spread method to be terrible. I even did multiple spread and dot/line/rice testing and found spread was the worst (although not nearly as bad as using too much paste, and it's nearly impossible to use too little paste).
Now everyone says 'clu is different', and I'm sure it is. So I'm not sure about it. I would think dot/rice grain/etc method would be best for it too, but as I understand you cant do that with CLU.
The coolaboratory website. Plenty of people have said Ultra is better.
There aren't many benches out there, but I think the company is a reliable source on this, especially given that Ultra is an update to Pro, rather than a completely new paste (although it is that too).
I think that's factual enough to back it up, as there aren't any benches out there on the matter. It would be like saying PK-2 is better than PK-1, even though test results (the few out there) show them to be basically identical, PK-2 is an update of PK-1 and, according to the company, is supposed to be slightly better.
That is so not a reliable way to judge how a thermal paste compares to another thermal material lol...
You are right, it is an $80 cooler, but it is not a performance cooler. It's $80 because it's Noctua and low profile, not because it's performance cooling.
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/noctua_nhc14_review/4.htm
I hope OC-club is a reliable source, I don't recall any issues with their tests.
20*C drop at your reference test at 4.3ghz simply means you got huge results. And was that strictly from delidding, or because you applied CLU on both the IHS and die, maybe changed coolers? It wouldn't be fair to compare a 20*C drop from using CLU on both your die and IHS, to someone using MX-4 on his die and IHS... You could probably get close to 10*C drop using CLU vs MX-4 just on the IHS.
I may not have delidded an i5 yet, but you don't need to be so disrespectful towards me. I have done a ****ton of thermal testing with varying pastes (granted, not CLU) and heatsinks over the last few weeks, I've been around for a while (been here longer than you...). I am not saying anything huge here by saying that Liquid Ultra is an update to the Liquid Pro, it's on the company website. There is hardly 'proof' of pro being better than ultra.

Ultra is an improved more user friendly tim, not strictly liquid metal (100% gallium) like pro. Pro Is better but better for temps, not 'better'strictly for regular people who would put it on an ihs (the 99% of users, to whom the tim was aimed at in the first place)

And actually I didn't just say I thought z77 was better, but actually mentioned a few boards that couldn't clock ib chips past the 39x ratio.
spread for regular tims is worse, that's true tongue.gif (except for ic diamond and other diamond compounds or liquid metal which behaves like mercury lol)
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I am NOT a member of this club.... I killed 2 3770k's trying to delid:

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Sorry for the double post, mobile site here...

I was gonna add something:

Belial, it seems you like to be extra picky and cientific/methodical with your testing and everything tongue.gif...do us a favor, when you get your IB cpu do the following:

-document your vcore, ambient, and core temps as displayed by real temp, for each core while running an IBT run as described on the first page (4.5ghz oc)
-calculate the delta temps of each core pre-delid.
-proceed to delid the chip and remove the glue.
-test temps with the stock intel tim without glue, calculate the delta and do the same with pk3. Try 3 applications or however you like for better accuracy, and calculate an average of the different attempts with each tim.
-use liquid ultra and do the same.
-use liquid pro and do the same.
(Use only pk3 for the ihs for ease of use)

That should give us really useful info with good methodology biggrin.gif
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I am NOT a member of this club.... I killed 2 3770k's trying to delid:
Really big image! (Click to show)

Consider yourself a part of the club. I will add you myself into the club spreadsheet but your entries will just say, dead. Would that be fine?
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Sorry for the double post, mobile site here...

I was gonna add something:

Belial, it seems you like to be extra picky and cientific/methodical with your testing and everything tongue.gif...do us a favor, when you get your IB cpu do the following:

-document your vcore, ambient, and core temps as displayed by real temp, for each core while running an IBT run as described on the first page (4.5ghz oc)
-calculate the delta temps of each core pre-delid.
-proceed to delid the chip and remove the glue.
-test temps with the stock intel tim without glue, calculate the delta and do the same with pk3. Try 3 applications or however you like for better accuracy, and calculate an average of the different attempts with each tim.
-use liquid ultra and do the same.
-use liquid pro and do the same.
(Use only pk3 for the ihs for ease of use)

That should give us really useful info with good methodology biggrin.gif

I second this motion. tongue.gif Anyone say yea or nay!
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I am NOT a member of this club.... I killed 2 3770k's trying to delid:

Dang bro, you went ham on those 3770K's. What did you use? A steak knife?

Sorry not trying to be rude, but those are some deep scratches on the PCB and it looks like the core too...
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