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I want that case. It's massive and I like cases that basically cover my entire room. tongue.gif

225$ already modded for rads.. 75$ of it is for shipping lol..

send me a pm if ur interested.

Too bad I just bought my new case. I would've bought it! We'll see if I can sell my new and old case before someone grabs it. tongue.gif
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I want that case. It's massive and I like cases that basically cover my entire room. tongue.gif

TX10-D?

Yes! I want that one! It's $850 though so I can't!
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On Air/Water: Intel Rec. Max is Intel’s absolute maximum rating for the Ivy Bridge lineup, many of the numbers provided are identical to those of Sandy Bridge, however ]while vcore should be lower because of a better processing technology (22nm vs 32nm) it is max 1.52v here because of the SVID max.When overclocking on air the only two voltages you should need to touch on an Ivy Bridge setup are the Vcore (which you increase) and the CPU PLL( which can be decreased to help temperatures).
if you read whats under the charts, youll see sin mention the same VID,
that i found in the datasheet from intel,
i used that same chart for a while when people asked me about max vcore,
then some peeps commented me on using 1.52V vcore as max vcore intel states,
"not true, intel doesnt state that anywhere, bs..bla etc"
so i started seaching, and found the chart in the datasheet,
then some others said, that VID has nothing to do with vcore ....LOL
"appetite for information"..yea, i know that .. biggrin.gif




I'm good either way, it turns out. Regardless, I'm staying at 1.5 Vcore or less for a 24/7/365 oc. Which is exactly where I'm at right now @ 4.9 Ghz, and I'm not pushing any further for day to day use. 5 Ghz requires 1.56 Vcore for stability, and 100 Mhz for that kind of Vcore increase simply isn't worth it. Oh, right! Did I mention my new chip hits 5 Ghz! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

I'll push it a bit more simply for cpu-z validations, because it will boot cleanly at 1.52 @ a 50 multi, but for now that's good enough. Although I got a weird temp spread across my cores, and I'm thinking I have a bad mount. I'll remount next weekend because I sure don't have the time to do it again. I need to order some more CLP to remount anyway. I ran out after the IHS-die application, and used Prolimatech Thermal Compound (not sure which one, they didn't label the one that came in my old Megahalem's back then. I assume it's pk-1), and I'll lap the IHS & AD II when I do to see if that improves temps.

Aside from the strange temp spread (10-11° C cooler on core 0 vs cores 1-2-3, which are running hotter), everything else is copacetic. smile.gif I still need to play with the PLL, to see if I can eek the temps down a bit more, I just left PLL overvolting set to disabled for these tests. But here's what I ended up with...


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this is unbelievable ... I found the culprit causing my system to make an unexpected shutdown at night (idle) and being unresponsive to power button later (needed to cycle the rocker switch on PSU to fire up) ... it was caused by latest AIDA64 running in background monitoring sensors ... what a joke ... now I think if in real it's a software glitch (BIOS problem??) or rather that software does something to my PSU somehow ... totally weird ... no aida64 running in background, no problem. my PSU might suck either way (though it gives proper +3.3, +5V and +12V voltages at exact middle range under load - checked with DMM).
anybody else running AIDA64 24/7 on MVE/MVF/MVG boards with 3770K? that's totally screwed up ... not even sure is AIDA64 alone *could* do such a (near hardware) failure to MB+PSU ... will need to double check with former revision of BIOS 704 (was now running latest 1501, but I don't like it).

I am not surprised at all. I was having freezes and other erratic behavior (gpu driver crashes) while running Aida 64 in the background when my monitor went into sleep mode. All of that ceased when I went to O.H.M. instead. Btw, I forgot to get back to you on the cpu socket question earlier. AsRock's using Foxconn sockets, at least on the Z77e-itx's, and I know they have a contract w/ Foxconn, so likely the rest of their boards do too.
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this is unbelievable ... I found the culprit causing my system to make an unexpected shutdown at night (idle) and being unresponsive to power button later (needed to cycle the rocker switch on PSU to fire up) ... it was caused by latest AIDA64 running in background monitoring sensors ... what a joke ... now I think if in real it's a software glitch (BIOS problem??) or rather that software does something to my PSU somehow ... totally weird ... no aida64 running in background, no problem. my PSU might suck either way (though it gives proper +3.3, +5V and +12V voltages at exact middle range under load - checked with DMM).
anybody else running AIDA64 24/7 on MVE/MVF/MVG boards with 3770K? that's totally screwed up ... not even sure is AIDA64 alone *could* do such a (near hardware) failure to MB+PSU ... will need to double check with former revision of BIOS 704 (was now running latest 1501, but I don't like it).

I have Aida64 running all the time (have had for years even back when it was Everest) and have never had a problem
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i use aida64 for a while now,
only use it if its needed tho, i dont have it running all the time,
when i start it, np, when i open stability test, it kinda freezes for 10-15 seconds,
if i move mouse, it start to jump a little, then everything is back to normal,
no other problems i can think of using it..
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for my 4.7ghz oc, im using offset, 0.055V,
i have LLC set to Turbo on my gigabyte mobo,
which gives a bit vdroop, following sin's guide on it,
where it says,

"You will also want to set LLC which is under the 3D power menu, the LLC should be set to Turbo for a slight droop, or Extreme for no droop at all. The LLC on these boards is rock solid, what you set is what you get, and nothing other than that."
and
Load Line Calibration: This setting can be increased in intensity which will decrease the standard Vdroop setting for the voltages, the CPU VCore LLC is the most important, and if you are OCing on air you should set Turbo and if on LN2 you should set Extreme.



so im using Turbo as LLC setting all the time,
what if i set it to Extreme, no vdroop at all,
would it decrease my offset too?
like, wil it bring down my 0.055 offset to say 0.005 or less, or even negative?
whats the reason not to use the Extreme LLC setting ?
maybe im just seeing this wrong idk..

if i look at the graph, even Extreme still has some droop..
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so i set LLC to extreme now, got offset down to 0.030V,
instead of 0.055V with LLC set to Turbo..

offset 0.025V didnt work, cinebench just closed on me ..lol
i prolly need 0.035V offset to make it run smooth,

LLC Extreme, 4.7ghz offset 0.035V
LLC Turbo, 4.7ghz offset 0.055V




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Hey guys, I was wondering about the sound card in my motherboard.

I have the Maximus V Gene and as far as I'm concerned, the sound card is good enough for my use. When I use the jack in front of my case, will that use the sound card or will I need to use the jack in the back of my motherboard?
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Hey guys, I was wondering about the sound card in my motherboard.
I have the Maximus V Gene and as far as I'm concerned, the sound card is good enough for my use. When I use the jack in front of my case, will that use the sound card or will I need to use the jack in the back of my motherboard?

if the frontjack connected to your mobo, it should use the onboard soundcard,
what else could it use..

you never told me yesterday, what you where watching? biggrin.gif
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I am not surprised at all. I was having freezes and other erratic behavior (gpu driver crashes) while running Aida 64 in the background when my monitor went into sleep mode. All of that ceased when I went to O.H.M. instead. Btw, I forgot to get back to you on the cpu socket question earlier. AsRock's using Foxconn sockets, at least on the Z77e-itx's, and I know they have a contract w/ Foxconn, so likely the rest of their boards do too.

glad your socket wasn't LOTES, those suck and should be avoided at all cost, CPU damage (me included) was reported on boards carrying those sockets.

another common thing I see then, it does happen only when monitor is in sleep mode or turned off as far as I can tell. Once it happened nearly right after monitor was turned on and it went to sleep, less than 5 minutes later the comp shut down unexpectedly and I couldn't turn it on until PSU rocker switch was cycled.

it does surprise me however! I still think this is not purely AIDA64 *causing* it. I believe this the darn bugged latest BIOS (last 3 revisions to be specific) that cause the MB voltage bug which gets only triggered by AIDA64 when it runs in background for long enough (happens at idle only).

Discovered this on the latest MVE BIOS 1501, but the fact is that this BIOS carries same bug (corrupted Load Defaults option in BIOS after it ran through a few different overclocks) as 2 other former revisions did - 1309 & 1408.
The latest "healthy" BIOS for this board with no such bug was 704, and I am running this one right now at exact same settings as on 1501 with AIDA64 in background for several hours and so far nothing happened. will see by evening if it returns ... going to work in 4 hours mad.gif ... and god damn can't fall asleep LOL... it will be a tough day ahead of me ...
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I have Aida64 running all the time (have had for years even back when it was Everest) and have never had a problem
well, aida64 is no perfect and MVE board support was added to it not so long ago, I believe it could carry some slight conflict with latest BIOSes for this board ... or the latest BIOSes are a bunch of crap to start with ...
In past I found AIDA64 causing video playback lag on 790 Ultra platform when it was running in background, I believe it was related to sensor polling.
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i use aida64 for a while now,
only use it if its needed tho, i dont have it running all the time,
when i start it, np, when i open stability test, it kinda freezes for 10-15 seconds,
if i move mouse, it start to jump a little, then everything is back to normal,
no other problems i can think of using it..
I used to run it on as needed basis as well, but recently configured it as a fail-safe for water pump RPM monitoring and executing a batch command to log the event in a text file and shutdown system if there is no input from water pump tacho. project succeeded, but my latest MB BIOS failed on it LOL!
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so i set LLC to extreme now, got offset down to 0.030V,
instead of 0.055V with LLC set to Turbo..
offset 0.025V didnt work, cinebench just closed on me ..lol
i prolly need 0.035V offset to make it run smooth,
LLC Extreme, 4.7ghz offset 0.035V
LLC Turbo, 4.7ghz offset 0.055V

Extreme LLC will not cause vdroop, but it WILL overshoot vcore under full load, sometimes as high as +0.05V when compared to idle with no vdroop. For daily running try using one step below (slightest possible vdroop), it works best especially with offsets and high clocks. For lower daily cloccks the moderate setting (High in your chart) should be best, but consider that you will need to compensate for deeper vdroop.
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I used to run it on as needed basis as well, but recently configured it as a fail-safe for water pump RPM monitoring and executing a batch command to log the event in a text file and shutdown system if there is no input from water pump tacho. project succeeded, but my latest MB BIOS failed on it LOL!
Extreme LLC will not cause vdroop, but it WILL overshoot vcore under full load, sometimes as high as +0.05V when compared to idle with no vdroop. For daily running try using one step below (slightest possible vdroop), it works best especially with offsets and high clocks. For lower daily cloccks the moderate setting (High in your chart) should be best, but consider that you will need to compensate for deeper vdroop.

yea, i always run Turbo, give a slight vdroop,
was just wondering this morning about the extreme setting,
and why i should not use it, it did bring down offset by 0.020V it seems,
no change in temps looks like..just added some snapshots on that post ..
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