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You mean like the stock cooler? No. The surface of the die sits lower than the surface of the lid so it won't make proper contact. Also, without the bracket, You will need extra downward force to properly socket the cpu.
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How would we go about running direct die?

Remove the brackets on the motherboard. Get washers or fan grommets to compensate for the lost height. Put on the HSF like any other one. tongue.gif Not too hard actually but I will tell you this. The chance of you crushing the die or cracking the die will be very high if you don't properly research what you need and if you aren't patient! This is very important!
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Direct die is a dangerous process with little gain. I tried it and didn't see much of a benefit (3-4c). When I first tried it, the system wouldn't post. Turns out the cpu needs compression in the socket to make proper contact with the pins. usually the bracket takes care of that but without it, I had to really tighten down my waterblock to properly socket the cpu. It did post and I did some stress tests but I just didn't see enough of a benefit to justify cooling direct die so I put the lid back on.
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Direct die is a dangerous process with little gain. I tried it and didn't see much of a benefit (3-4c). When I first tried it, the system wouldn't post. Turns out the cpu needs compression in the socket to make proper contact with the pins. usually the bracket takes care of that but without it, I had to really tighten down my waterblock to properly socket the cpu. It did post and I did some stress tests but I just didn't see enough of a benefit to justify cooling direct die so I put the lid back on.

Yes, I didn't see too much of a difference in temps for my try as well. I got a 1C difference which is within the 3C error because it may have just been the ambient or some odd thing happening!
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I'm used to amd delidding with direct die being easy. In any case, I think I'll lap the lid then remove and reapply tim and replace the lid
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I'm used to amd delidding with direct die being easy. In any case, I think I'll lap the lid then remove and reapply tim and replace the lid

A tip is that if you want to lap, get a P4 lid and lap that instead. It will fit on the Ivy chips without you lapping the original lid!
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A tip is that if you want to lap, get a P4 lid and lap that instead. It will fit on the Ivy chips without you lapping the original lid!

But can you clamp it down? I bought the P4 thinking I would do that and it doesn't have the lips on it to clamp down..
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A tip is that if you want to lap, get a P4 lid and lap that instead. It will fit on the Ivy chips without you lapping the original lid!

But can you clamp it down? I bought the P4 thinking I would do that and it doesn't have the lips on it to clamp down..

Don't need the lips. tongue.gif Since you have the bracket still on, all you have to do is tighten the HSF on. It won't damage it at all and it's a better way than just losing your warranty over lapping!
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Well it went quite smooth for me biggrin.gif I started with my gilette razer (duct taped one end to prevent bloody outcomes). It cut through that glue like butter ... I slightly cuvred the ends of the blade to prevent scratching, worked into the corners and then slid it into the sides paying attention to the 'die markers' from the OCN guide. It was a lot easier than I expected, took 5 minute to get a general idea of how to do 1 corner, then I did the rest in under a minute each. Lastly, prying it open wasnt working out with the bendy razer so I just used a box cutter to quickly widen the gaps and then pry open the IHS, worked like a charm. All in all took about 20 minutes ... and the result, 20C drop on my hottest core o_o

Haven't tested if I am able to push my current 4.4ghz OC any further, but the temps look promising to support doing so. This chip is a pretty crappy overclocker, but my main reason to do the delid was to keep temps under control during the summer when the ambients would push them 95+ easily at this freq. Ill post my membership stuff once Im done testing higher clocks smile.gif
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Originally Posted by mystiksinner View Post

OCN name: Mystiksinner
CPU: 3770k
on die-TIM: Coollaboratory Liquid Pro
ihs-TIM: Coollaboratory Liquid Pro
Mhz gained: 0
OC after delid: 4.8 GHz
Temp drops: -14c
CPU-Z validation of max OC: http://valid.canardpc.com/2646702



I don't have screenies from before I delidded but this is delidded with pk3 on die and lid



And this is the Coollaboratory Liquid Pro on die and lid



Thats an average drop of 7.5c from the pk3 to the liquid pro. and I dropped 7c when I delidded and went from stock paste to pk3. Thats almost a 14c drop. Looks like intel got really lazy (or cheap) with ivy bridge.

I had a thought. I don't have the stones to do this myself but someone out there might. What if you were to solder the lid to the die. You could try the reverse of the frying pan method that has been used to delid soldered cpu's. Put the lid upside down in a very hot frying pan with some solder on the inside of the lid. Once it starts to melt, place the cpu in the lid. Give it some time for the die to get hot enough to accept the solder, then let it cool. I would be curious to see what the results are.

Your in! Now slap the Sig no baby!!!
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Don't need the lips. tongue.gif Since you have the bracket still on, all you have to do is tighten the HSF on. It won't damage it at all and it's a better way than just losing your warranty over lapping!

Thats why I'm not gonna lap my next chip.

Also guys. I somewhat "found" 250 bucks lol so let me know if anybody is near a MC and wants to get an i5 for me and ship it to me. Box included, just incase for Intel lol.
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