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http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p15016_Aquacomputer-aqualis-base-for-pump-adaptor-880-ml.html

Why don't you just make your own panel and cover it in carbon fiber vinyl or something?
Edited by dmanstasiu - 1/14/13 at 12:10pm
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That's [EDIT: damn thread moves so fast, I was referring to the guy saying he talked to sin] what I was referring to when I said 1.6. I clearly stated the comment as if I wasn't 100% sure of it, too.

There is no argument here VonDutch. It's well known that voltage is much more damaging than temperature to CPU lifespan. You can even look at the graph you posted, what do you think would happen if that same line began at the "Mid VID" or "High VID" instead of "Low VID" (this isn't what I'm basing my comment on, I'm just saying how it's kinda goofy you show a graph to say temps are more dangerous than vcore when the graph pretty clearly shows that VID is the real killer, consistent with what everyone says and has shown).

You provide a lot of good information but you are wrong in saying temps are more dangerous than vcore. It would be more accurate if you just said "Higher temps can significanitly attribute to CPU degradation, even if you dont change your vcore".
Quote:
"There isnt isn'treally a max vcore for ivy because no one knows,"

i think i said that in my other posts too, nice quote..

This is definitely true, but I think the general boundaries in regards to voltages have been mapped out.
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Will check because i have a temp difference of 16ºC from one core to all others its just too much maybe will apply the paste again, with mx-4 i did not have such a difference so this got to be a bad mount at that is all. will check and recheck all again

recently I realized I have the same difference between core temps under load at 4.9-5.0GHz ... will be re-delidding it next time I break the water loop ... and checking for flatness ... chances are I wil be lapping the IHS (and possibly cooling block) too...
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with me the problem was too much CLP in the die (even though i only put a tiny drop) re apply and all was good after
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with me the problem was too much CLP in the die (even though i only put a tiny drop) re apply and all was good after

mine was good initially, but I re-used CLU on the cooling block and IHS a couple times LOL! probably a problem over there ... but I still need to check for flatness of IHS and bock ... and besides wanted to try CLOP on the die this time wink.gif
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http://www.overclock.net/t/1347337/fs-g-skill-2x2gb-ddr3-kit-crucial-2x2gb-ddr3/0_100
G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 1600MHz CL9 1.5V RAM, 2x2GB kit.
$15 shipped (does that mean including shipping?)

http://www.overclock.net/t/1346421/fs-samsung-ddr3-2x2gb-two-kits-unopened/0_100
SAMSUNG 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model MV-3V2G3D/US
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He's saying $40 for 2 of these kits, so he could maybe do $20 for one kit.... assuming he could, would this be better than the other choices?

Would either of these perform better than those mushkin radioactive?

How do they compare to those Crucial Tactical Ballistix Tracer 1600 CL8 1.5v?

my indecision is holding me back tt. i just need ram and psu to get my 3570k build going (will probably go with $29 cx500, maybe $39 rosewill green 630w... cx500 12v@38a should be enough for 3570 + 460 SLI all heavily overvolted to limits though... which im not doing yet and id worry about in the far future anywyas)

Get the Radioactive kit man, they ARE better and overclock MUCH higher than the rest of the sticks you mentioned. Plus those Samsung sticks are not necesarily the same 4gb sticks everyone seems to love. (and those don't come even close to psc based ram) You will likely get 2400mhz 9-11-9-27-1t with 1.7v or less with them. thumb.gif
CX500 is solid, 460 sli is kinda meh, if you can get a 7850 and sell your old gpu.
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my ram .... to oc to higher speeds, only got it to 1866mhz once,
i tried several times with guidance from ivan and others here,
saving money for 2600mhz, when i have the money,
i will be back asking you guys what i should buy smile.gif

Get that Radioactive kit for benching if Belial doesn't hehe
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lets say i was benching.

i mean general usage... but i tend to push 24/7 overclocks very harshly, lots of volts and stuff like that. id prefer what overclocks best. The $15 1600cl9 1.5v im sure is fine, but 1600CL6 1.5v for $5 more sounds like a huge step up, probably worth the price, no? cant tell which of the mushkins are better, i do know heatspreaders dont mean much. then to make things confusing all the searches i find talk about how awesome samsung is for ram, whatever that means.

Those cl6 sticks are da bomb...What matters is the ram ic inside the ram stick, not the brand or voltage or whatever. But you need to know what to look for.
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yea, saw some talks about those samsung green? good for ocing(hence awesome? )
im looking into Corsair Dominator Platinum CMD8GX3M2A2400C10,
i like the lights i guess, but it prolly s.... for ocing etc...lol
well, if i got the money, i will look into it some more, the guys here will help me with it when time comes,
im a ramnoob so, that way i cant really help you Belial, srry smile.gif

Those use the same Samsung IC's in the green ram, but with a taller pcb and overclock a bit better. they look cool too xD
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i want to give my kiddo the PSU thats in my rig,
that old 400Watt thing isnt good enough ..lol,
he needs to downclock that watt hungry 8350 of his biggrin.gif
my XFX ProSeries 750W XXX Edition should do it right, even when we start ocing it?

so i need a new one, thinking about buying the same one,
or the XFX ProSeries 850Watt XXX Edition..

what do you guys think, good, or should i look for another/better one?
if i ever decide to get me another 7970, i might need more power then 750Watt?
or is a 750 watt sufficient, with 80+, bronze /silver/gold

Seasonic is best, XFX uses Seasonic innards btw...850w is plenty. There's a reccomended psu list too...Get an NZXT Hale82 (modular) if you can.
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just running a normal gtx 660ti. dont plan to overclock or anything.

and isnt overclocking memory with a i7 3770k pointless except for cold benching?

Overclocking a 3770k is 'pointless' too...same as a gpu or whatever lol
Come on, crank those ram sticks don't be a wuss! xD

Thank you, you are very helpful. I'll worry about sli in the future, the idea is that older gen cards are extremely low priced on ebay - you can find a 460 right now on average at $60-80. A 7850, you'll be lucky to get it at $150. Even with opportunity costs and $10 more in a psu, 460 sli is cheaper.

But apparently there are issues with SLI and screen capture, ie streaming, so I won't be using SLI, as much as I'd like to take advantage of my SLI-capable board. maybe the software will be there in a few years, and then I sli, i wasn't planning to do this anytime soon anyways.

Isnt the radioactive and the mushkin enhanced ridgeback blackine ram the exact same ram?
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As shown in my TIM review here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1346069/belials-heatsink-tim-comparison-and-reviews-hyper-212-h50-nh-d14-pk-1-pk-2-pk-3/0_100

How much paste you use has a huge impact on temps. It's nearly impossible to use too little paste, but it's so easy to use too much. Too much paste doesnt look like very much paste at all, there's pics in my review showing you how much TIM you are supposed to use, and what too much looks like (too much TIM doesnt look like too much at all, perfect amount of time actually doesnt even cover the entire IHS).

I imagine this issue is magnified many times over when using CLU/CLP where you are forced to use the spread method over ricegrain method, which is much much better way of spreading paste, and on-die jobs.

I'm currently looking into buying CLU/CLP but I'm not sure which to get. I dont think w/mk is everything when it comes to thermal paste performance (especially when the sources on clu/clp are 2 different tester).
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As a member of the sleeving community, please tighten those cables! It'll look 10x better. tongue.gif But aside from tucking those cables a bit more, that looks great! thumb.gif I think you should take a full overview picture of it so we can see the entire thing. tongue.gif

heres some full overview pictures you requested. didnt mean what you were refering when you said tighten the cables but i figures you were talking about my 24pin
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As a member of the sleeving community, please tighten those cables! It'll look 10x better. tongue.gif But aside from tucking those cables a bit more, that looks great! thumb.gif I think you should take a full overview picture of it so we can see the entire thing. tongue.gif

heres some full overview pictures you requested. didnt mean what you were refering when you said tighten the cables but i figures you were talking about my 24pin

Basically what you do is pull the cables from the back so it "tightens". That way it looks better and cleaner.
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Thank you, you are very helpful. I'll worry about sli in the future, the idea is that older gen cards are extremely low priced on ebay - you can find a 460 right now on average at $60-80. A 7850, you'll be lucky to get it at $150. Even with opportunity costs and $10 more in a psu, 460 sli is cheaper.

But apparently there are issues with SLI and screen capture, ie streaming, so I won't be using SLI, as much as I'd like to take advantage of my SLI-capable board. maybe the software will be there in a few years, and then I sli, i wasn't planning to do this anytime soon anyways.

Isnt the radioactive and the mushkin enhanced ridgeback blackine ram the exact same ram?

Nope, not the same thing...forget about the model names and such. What matters is the ram chip, you can figure out which chip it is by serial number, timings/voltage/mhz or revision version for Corsair for example. 1600mhz cl6-8-6 with 1.5v is 100% sure PSC x series chip. Those scale all the way up to 1.85v, but I wouldn't go over 1.75v on air really...and clock till 2600mhz on air with fairly good timings. (only the best specimens) That kind of ram isn't made any more, and is by far the BEST ddr3 ram there is for overclocking (with Elpida BBSE and Hyper chips being second and third respectively...BBSE can be on par or better but it's harder to bin)
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