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That's [EDIT: damn thread moves so fast, I was referring to the guy saying he talked to sin] what I was referring to when I said 1.6. I clearly stated the comment as if I wasn't 100% sure of it, too.

There is no argument here VonDutch. It's well known that voltage is much more damaging than temperature to CPU lifespan. You can even look at the graph you posted, what do you think would happen if that same line began at the "Mid VID" or "High VID" instead of "Low VID" (this isn't what I'm basing my comment on, I'm just saying how it's kinda goofy you show a graph to say temps are more dangerous than vcore when the graph pretty clearly shows that VID is the real killer, consistent with what everyone says and has shown).

You provide a lot of good information but you are wrong in saying temps are more dangerous than vcore. It would be more accurate if you just said "Higher temps can significanitly attribute to CPU degradation, even if you dont change your vcore".
This is definitely true, but I think the general boundaries in regards to voltages have been mapped out.


Goofy indeed, i think this calls for a, "i dare you"
lets do it like this,

you run your chip at 104C 24/7 over a period of lets say 3 years,
and i run mine at 1.510V vcore 24/7 but low temps, for the same period ok biggrin.gif

why do i feel i already won ..hehe
then we compare our chips after that, and see who degraded more..

im just a simple man, so i use the words that i know, english is not my native language see smile.gif
i cant even say the word "significanitly ", so why should i use it, to show peeps how smart i am ...nah..i would use "very" instead..lol
i think peeps here most of the time know what i mean, i know i can be a bit of sometimes when it comes to
explaining, sorry for that..i try hard tho smile.gif


dang, now its starts to bug me anyways,

was i so wrong with this graph guys, and what Belial said that it isnt heat, but vid is degrading the cpu??
i dont see it tho..i see,
"accelerated wear-out due to elevated temperatures" and
"partially realized life improvement due to cooler operating temperatures"..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2468/6 to read the whole story if you like smile.gif
i dont mind being wrong and to admit it, but i have to be sure i am, then i can adjust my answers too
Edited by VonDutch - 1/14/13 at 1:51pm
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Look up electromigration, i think that'd pull up results on this. There's some paper on that, and then you got some formula that shows that volts is a bigger problem than heat, but both are related and all...
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Look up electromigration, i think that'd pull up results on this. There's some paper on that, and then you got some formula that shows that volts is a bigger problem than heat, but both are related and all...

no, im gonna wait for the answers from others here,
and like i said before in my other post im not gonna start another endless/useless discussion with you,
i leave it to others to decide if my info is useful or not,
all i wanted to show is that its not only vcore thats degrading a chip, but also high temps smile.gif
people ask alot , whats the max vcore i can run, but they forget that high temps are bad too, maybe even worse then high vcore, get it? smile.gif
like the anandtech post says,
"Frequency increases drive higher load temperatures, which reduces useful life."
i think it was a good point with what he said there,
maybe you should go over there, and discuss this with the threadstarter thumb.gif
heres the link, http://www.anandtech.com/show/2468/6
scroll down for posting comments
Edited by VonDutch - 1/14/13 at 2:06pm
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you dont need to be nasty, i dont really care and I don't know the specifics 100%. I just know that voltage is more harmful than temperature, and it would be incorrect to say that heat is more damaging than volts. They are closely tied together - as you increase volts, you increase heat, running a higher temp all the time can be more harmful than a little extra voltage, etc - but very plainly, volts is worse than temps for cpu degradation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromigration

It looks like I might not be able to get the radioactives (for whatever reason he isnt replying, maybe hes just afk or something or already sold it).

I might go with those mushkin ridgeback 1600 cl6 1.65v instead.
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you dont need to be nasty, i dont really care.

It looks like I might not be able to get the radioactives (for whatever reason he isnt replying, maybe hes just afk or something or already sold it).

I might go with those mushkin ridgeback 1600 cl6 1.65v instead.

If they are cl6 they will be good...Good luck.

Here are some good resources:

Ram ic lists and overclocking info below. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Sam's binning method (Tapakah) thumb.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Edited by ivanlabrie - 1/14/13 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by [CyGnus] View Post

For me i think its too much voltage for 24/7 usage even if not always at 100% load. You say that there is no problem using 1.45-1.55v?

As stated before. as long temps are really under 85C i don't see a problem.. But try to keep it under 1.52 just to be save.
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you dont need to be nasty, i dont really care and I don't know the specifics 100%. I just know that voltage is more harmful than temperature, and it would be incorrect to say that heat is more damaging than volts. They are closely tied together - as you increase volts, you increase heat, running a higher temp all the time can be more harmful than a little extra voltage, etc - but very plainly, volts is worse than temps for cpu degradation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromigration

It looks like I might not be able to get the radioactives (for whatever reason he isnt replying, maybe hes just afk or something or already sold it).

I might go with those mushkin ridgeback 1600 cl6 1.65v instead.

not nasty, im trying to help you, and give you the opportunity to talk about this with the original maker of that post,
im sure he can help you better then me smile.gif
i know a while back you started talking like this in this same thread, and it only ended up in people here getting
agitated about your ways, and it filled about 10 pages with nonsense, and a moderator stopped it in the end,
so then i thought, i must be careful with this guy, dont get fooled , and do the same as the others,
and now look what happened, here i am, the others dont even respond, they learned their lesson...
guess thats why your own thread doesnt get alot of responses too wink.gif
people try to help you, but ...well..maybe its just the way you are ..sorry, thats the way i feel right now..

G'night crew smile.gif
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k well il try to get those radioactives but if not ill settle for the ridgebacks ;/

youve been very helpful

if people dont want to discuss things because they are afraid of lively discussion, that's fine with me. there's a common purpose here and people get too offended instead of trying to make everyone more knowledgeable in the end. I don't know quantuum physics so i can't really say more than i already have about volts vs temps, but the stuff is out there and anything more I could say wouldn't be any more than what could be found out by anyone else searching the subject (i mean i don't recall exactly the sources) of electromigration.

practically, it just means high volts can be very damaging to your CPU, even if your temps are very low, but usually both volts and temps are related and you're just aware of pushing the envelope on either.
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k well il try to get those radioactives but if not ill settle for the ridgebacks ;/

youve been very helpful

No sweat man, I like ram lol xD
Hence the ram addict club in the sig...Be sure to check those links out, specially the last one and Sam's binning method.
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There is no mention of you being addicted to RAM, or samsung, in your sig
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Haswell i7-4770K 4.8GHz@1.452v/1.97vRIN Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H Older Gigabyte 7950 (H60 Mod) 2x4GB Gskill 2400CL11 Hynix CFRs 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 830 128gb Corsair H110 w/4x 140mm Yate Loon High Blues W7 x64 Ultimate Yarrgh Matey Dell U2312HM Matte IPS 1080p 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Sanyo DP19640 18.5" 768p KDS Rad-7xp 1024p CM Storm Quickfire Rapids Brown Rosewill Capstone 750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Bitfenix Shinobi Modded CM Storm Spawn Steelseries Diablo 3 2 set CD Speaker + Big Sub 
Other
Bitfenix Recon Fan Controller Moded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Delidded i7-3770K 5GHz@1.499 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H 1.1 Sapphire Dual-X 7950 3L Boost 4x2GB Mushkin Ridgeback 2200mhz 8/11/8/27 1.75v... 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 Noctua 120/140/140 Fans 3 x Yate Loon Mediums (Petras) 2 x NZXT Havik 140mm Fans 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64-bit Sanyo DP19640 19'' KDS Radius Rad-7xp 17'' Ducky 1087 MX Brown 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Rosewill Capstone 550w Modular NZXT Source 210 w/Modded Window Razer Deathadder 3.5G Steelseries Blizzcon D3 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Phillips FW-C250 2 Speaker Set w/3 CD Changer JBL Sub 6 Subwoofer NZXT Sleeved LED Strip 1m Blue NZXT Sentry 2 Fan Controller 
Other
Colonial Blue Paracord Sleeving 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom ii X4 955C2, $31, 5 broken pins, works! ... Biostar A770e3 6.3 Red&Black MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr II 2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1333 OC to 1348CL7@1.65v 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 6 x Case Fans (4 x YL-M, NZXT case fan, CM Hype... Jerryrigged Chipset-Northbridge 80mm HSF 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Earthwatts 430D NZXT Gamma Steelseries Kinzu Optical Steelseries Blizzcon Diablo 3 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Haswell i7-4770K 4.8GHz@1.452v/1.97vRIN Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H Older Gigabyte 7950 (H60 Mod) 2x4GB Gskill 2400CL11 Hynix CFRs 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 830 128gb Corsair H110 w/4x 140mm Yate Loon High Blues W7 x64 Ultimate Yarrgh Matey Dell U2312HM Matte IPS 1080p 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Sanyo DP19640 18.5" 768p KDS Rad-7xp 1024p CM Storm Quickfire Rapids Brown Rosewill Capstone 750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Bitfenix Shinobi Modded CM Storm Spawn Steelseries Diablo 3 2 set CD Speaker + Big Sub 
Other
Bitfenix Recon Fan Controller Moded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Delidded i7-3770K 5GHz@1.499 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H 1.1 Sapphire Dual-X 7950 3L Boost 4x2GB Mushkin Ridgeback 2200mhz 8/11/8/27 1.75v... 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 Noctua 120/140/140 Fans 3 x Yate Loon Mediums (Petras) 2 x NZXT Havik 140mm Fans 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64-bit Sanyo DP19640 19'' KDS Radius Rad-7xp 17'' Ducky 1087 MX Brown 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Rosewill Capstone 550w Modular NZXT Source 210 w/Modded Window Razer Deathadder 3.5G Steelseries Blizzcon D3 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Phillips FW-C250 2 Speaker Set w/3 CD Changer JBL Sub 6 Subwoofer NZXT Sleeved LED Strip 1m Blue NZXT Sentry 2 Fan Controller 
Other
Colonial Blue Paracord Sleeving 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom ii X4 955C2, $31, 5 broken pins, works! ... Biostar A770e3 6.3 Red&Black MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr II 2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1333 OC to 1348CL7@1.65v 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 6 x Case Fans (4 x YL-M, NZXT case fan, CM Hype... Jerryrigged Chipset-Northbridge 80mm HSF 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Earthwatts 430D NZXT Gamma Steelseries Kinzu Optical Steelseries Blizzcon Diablo 3 
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