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dont forget, were delidding old pentiums, that where in computers for like 10 years ..lol
its harder to get the blade into the corners that way,
thats why its best to delid your ivy as soon as possible, the longer its in there, the "harder"it is to get a blade into a corner..
the choice of blade is upto you, but most peeps here say, a razorblade works very well,
something like this,


this one works well too,

bit safer to work with, but you can also tape one side of the razor blade above

after doing all those pentiums with my kids,
we now say, "its not what you use to delid, its how you use it"

with any blade you use, you can mess the delid up,
i delidded mine before i joined here, theres so much more info now thanks to this thread

yea, keep the blade right angled all the time, and youll be fine ..

dont let it go to either side..

Liking the good use of my photos! biggrin.gif

Youtube has a lot of De-Lidding videos.. Some are really good ideas or "How to's" but some are just good examples of how to not do it! tongue.gif
I can say that you should practice on some old pentiums/Celerons or even some of the older AMD chips were glued.

The razors that VonDutch has suggested has lead you in the right direction, I'd also like to add practicing putting the thermal paste on the old Pentiums etc is good too, just use some generic stuff or MX-2/MX-4 or even toothpaste just to see/feel how much you really need. You might be lucky like me and get an entire 775 "Glued" system to test all your de-lidded chips in! Both of mine worked, so my success rate is 66% because I can't test the socket 478 Pentium 4's I found in my drawer. All in all it's not a hard task just be set to have an hour or more to re-build the system and such and expect problems. You also might like to have some money for a new i5/i7 if it breaks or even a i3 until you can afford a new CPU.

Uh, one last thing to add is do it soon or you'll be like me and have a tough time getting the blade in for the first time around. (I went around it 2-3 times gradually getting deeper cuts till it was lose.
Also for cleaning the chip, use your fingernails (Don't trim them for a few days tongue.gif) or get a credit card. Do NOT use a knife/blade for this as I chipped a Pentium 4 by stuffing around with that.
 
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Originally Posted by chris-br View Post

On the die, use pro.. On the ihs you can use mx-4 no problem..

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Originally Posted by [CyGnus] View Post

Totally Dubbed mx-4 is pretty bad for the die even ceramique is better about 6/7ºc difference compared to mx-4. Try to order some CLP its really worth it for the IHS you can use MX-4 for the die stay away from it.

Understood for the die.
As for ON the IHS, seeing as if I order CLP/U, then i might as well apply it ON the IHS too correct?

And again, with application of CLP - is it a line, or a dot method on the die?
As on the IHS, it seems that the video the company provides is the spread method.
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Im gonna need a bigger case... alot of sleeving and.....alright you got me. That was actually hilarious. Especially when the guy says in a over excited european accent "Its Actually Quite Tidy" "And Its So Quiet" As you look at a rats nest of cords and hear what sounds like a twin turbo jet engine in the background taking off.

hahahaha

but on a serious note, do cougars provide the highest cfm?

is 2 on top 2 on bottom the optimal way to run h100i? (WITH IT STILL FITTIN IN THE CASE VON DUTCH) lol

And the BIG question I have is. What benefit am I going to see? I forget who said it but earlier someone said that my H100i is NOT performing optimally if its getting 86c pre-delid on 1.3v and that my problem is using stock fan setup.

And I would really like to light the **** up if possible without compromising on cooling. After all, Its more exciting to buy fans when they will bring more cool lighting effects to the table as well.

push/pull works, i did that with my mugen, but it only shaved of a few degrees, not sure if it was worth the money spent on it,
its not only the high cfm, but also, i think for the radiator, the air pressure,

the Scythe Slip Stream SY1225SL12LM-P, 120mm that came with my cooler have a
Luchtstroom (m³/h) 126m³/h
Luchtstroom (CFM) 74cf/m
1300rpm
Geluidssterkte 26,6dB

i thought that was good, for that rpm, bought another later for the push/pull setup,
but after delid, i disabled 1, no need for that anymore, it runs cool enough..

the ones you showed me, are good, others may have better tips tho, on what to use best with a H100,
but dont expect a very big tempdrop,
its your "bad" die to ihs mount thats the cause of it running that hot..that is different also with ivy's, like the difference in vcores..
lottery on the temps..


have to go to the grocery ..laters smile.gif
Edited by VonDutch - 1/15/13 at 6:02am
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push/pull works, i did that with my mugen, but it only shaved of a few degrees, not sure if it was worth the money spent on it,
its not only the high cfm, but also, i think for the radiator, the air pressure,

the Scythe Slip Stream SY1225SL12LM-P, 120mm that came with my cooler have a
Luchtstroom (m³/h) 126m³/h
Luchtstroom (CFM) 74cf/m
1300rpm
Geluidssterkte 26,6dB

i thought that was good, for that rpm, bought another later for the push/pull setup,
but after delid, i disabled 1, no need for that anymore, it runs cool enough..

the ones you showed me, are good, others may have better tips tho, on what to use best with a H100,
but dont expect a very big tempdrop,
its your "bad" die to ihs mount thats the cause of it running that hot..that is different also with ivy's, like the difference in vcores..
lottery on the temps..

Thats what I was thinking, But someone (kicking myself for not remembering the name, I suppose I could not be lazy and sift through the last 50 pages to find it) said point blank, if your that hot BEFORE delidding your h100i is not setup correctly, if you are using stock fans, thats the problem.


@VonDutch - I would like your personal feedback on my last post on page 843. I trust your judgement.
Edited by Kolt21 - 1/15/13 at 6:10am
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Accidental Repost. Well since I accidently posted might as well make use of the space. lol

I will be giving you props in my video if I make it von dutch (And I think I will make one).

It will be a delidding video by an amatuer first time delidder for amatuer first time delidders. emphasizing that i am up **** creek with no paddle if it fails and failure is not an option. Im hoping it will help people on the fence due to financial reasons work up the guts to JUST do it.

Didnt know id get a valguar reference in there did you? haha
Edited by Kolt21 - 1/15/13 at 6:06am
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Hey guys,

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You tried reinstalling the software and enabling hpet?
I had those problems with 3d mark
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If you don't really need a card doesn't hurt to wait a bit & see what 700 series brings.
I just hope they drop the stupid boost thing. At least cpus let us turn off turbo & set the clocks where we want.

If you check the kboost box it will run at a fixed frequency. Look for it in precision.
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Thats what I was thinking, But someone (kicking myself for not remembering the name, I suppose I could not be lazy and sift through the last 50 pages to find it) said point blank, if your that hot BEFORE delidding your h100i is not setup correctly, if you are using stock fans, thats the problem.


@VonDutch - I would like your personal feedback on my last post on page 843. I trust your judgement.
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I am feeling alot more confident about it but I hear nightmare stories of, "well yea it looked easy when I watched a vid so I just did it the same and for some reason when the glue finally gave my blade didnt stop like the videos, it just slammed right into the die."

And that is quite terrifying considering the pressure you obviously have to use. Your sons hand was clearly holding the cpu extremely tight, was he applying equal pressure with the blade or just moderate. I want my blade to just slide to a stop like that one did. And like I said I feel I may just be over thinking this way to much because of whats at stake..... but people keep saying the pressure required to cut the glue will send the blade soaring into the die like a bullet. Q_Q

EDIT: Wanted to clarify to all who are interested. My CLP and arctic silver is on its way, will be arriving in a day or two, I am delidding not one but TWO i7 3770k's. I will be delidding as soon as the package arrives. I cannot afford to **** up either CPU, I have 2 identical comps, whatever I do to one, I do to the other. So if I get new fans, they both get new fans, if I delid, they both get delidded.

I absolutely cannot afford to **** up either delid, and That is not going to stop be from delidding. I cant be talked out of it. What I am trying to do right now is get as much information as I can to not be crying on here later. lol

I plan to join the club so real soon ill need to do a test on my current Overclock that can be posted here for before and after. Prime95 didnt save my 26 hour small ftt test so I need to use something else. What is the fastest test for club joining purposes?

I will be posting Both computers in my sig as my 2 chips are wildly different in terms of overclockability. one seems above average, the other isnt such a lottery winner.

Ill get a cool avatar of my delid as well.

I am EVEN considerring making a vid of the delid. But no guarantees there. It would be helpful for noobs coming later in my boat wanting to see a first timer do it with everything at stake and no way to replace the cpu's. Its alot harder to work up the courage in my circumstances.

you mean that part of the post i assume?
have to ask who's the people who said that, did they delid a cpu too?

it takes some pressure of course, the wiggle method is a good one to use, as you could see in that vid,
told him to take his time with it, that it wasnt a competition who would be the fastest delidder..lol( 14 and 15 year old ..well )
you can see when the blade starts to go into the adhesive, thats the moment you put less pressure on it,
and let the wiggle and blade do its work..

i saw idontcare over at anandtech use a hammer method once,
i thought it was a good one to use, he said hes clumsy with his hands..lol, and it worked for him,
we did a few like that too, you can very precise use the force to cut through the glue,
i mentioned it here, but it got rejected, as being a bad method,
will show you the vids anyways ..lol just for fun biggrin.gif
its a 2 man job if you want to do it right tho..

HAMMERTIME!
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Kolt21, you should read his post about him delidding his ivy too,
its a great read, ive learned alot of it
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2261855&highlight=delid

maybe i mentioned it before,
but can you get a or some old pentiums somehow?
i bought 10 for 10 euro over here on a forum,
great to practice on, and get the feel for it..
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Liking the good use of my photos! biggrin.gif

told you i could use them someday ..lol thanks again thumb.gif
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Nice one!
(I still have no feedback about my previous post smile.gif)
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