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sonic.gif What comes after 5.167 GHz ? De-lidding ? Un-lidding (IHS free) ? What about my voltages ?

As intro, these recent Sabertooth Z77 thread posts:
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PCWargamer wrote...If you are interested in "un-lidding" Joa3d43, then there is an OCN thread with some good info and lots of support to assist in the endeavor. Feel free to join us and check it out

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[/Thanks, will do...I already took a few peeks there and will be back for more thumb.gif ....this one from today...http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2653300 voltages are still below my cut-off re. 1.45 absolute max, but getting there - seriously thinking about delidding...just not decided yet whether to keep it 'un-lid' and IHS-free
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PCWargamer wrote Your chip looks real good Joa3d43. And if your temps are good to you don't need to delid or unlid. Just enjoy a great chip smile.gif .

But many of us still do it for the fun of it! One of the best and funest mods I have ever done! biggrin.gif

Hello smile.gif

I have been putting together a few Ivy Bridge systems for my work and play...one of them has a 3770K that already went past 4.833 GHz in a basic Asus P8Z77-V LK mobo w/32 GB of Trident-X Ram and an off-the-shelf Thermaltake Water 2 Extreme with excellent temps.

I then transferred that particular 3770K to a Sabertooth Z77...4.8 GHz was my daily setting and soon I pushed it a bit (Please see CPU-Z validation pics below). I add that I keep Intel SpeedStep enabled, as well as all the sleep / idle states as I need that unless I do a record run. Also, during all my runs below, SQL 2008 enterprise and a few other instances of SQL 2012 were active, as was IIS (all in 'Local Host')

I would like to get some advice please:

1.) My absolute voltage cut-off is 1.45v for record runs, 1.4 or less for daily use. To get beyond 5.167 GHz - and after watching the progression of voltages below per run - do I have to delid ? Even if I do not have to, it might be a fun project and I am curios, but I don't want to wreck the thing (and yes - I have studied the excellent guide provided here thumb.gif ).

2.) For the spring, I have been thinking about a custom water-loop that also includes the SLI GTX 670ies (not that the Thermatake Water 2 Extreme has let me down). Further, I would like to try an 'un-lidding (IHS free)' approach, unless there are some experiences here that suggest otherwise. De-lidding vs un-lidding / pros and cons ?

3.) The current setup (and runs depicted below) were done with Artic MX-2...as I used the last of that on an other build, I now have a new tube of Artic MX4...which according to some tables I have seen on this thread is 'pretty good' - with 1 or 2 C of the exotic stuff ? Any experiences with Artic MX 4 ?

Thank you in advance for your feedback / advice and help smile.gif





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Who is the Corsair rep? I want to talk to them!
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your voltages? man, ill trade you my 3770k right away, and its delidded already too ...LOL
they are great!, even when temps would be ok, i would still delid it, you have a great chip to delid, vcore wise ..

1) i would anyways, imagine running those oc's, but with at least 15-20+C lower temps, whatever you run, ibt/prime at that speed smile.gif

2) Thermatake Water 2 Extreme, my favorite over the H100..lol thumb.gif , we know theres not much difference in running with or without IHS,
its more a personal preference, sonda5 is our un-lidded expert here, im running with ihs, because 1) i have a aircooler, 2) the ihs function isnt only
spreading heat, but also to protect the die from being crushed or anything like that, i would only advice if you have a watercooler tho (weight aircoolers)
also, its a bit more work to get it right, with ihs, you just pop back the cooler, and your good to go in most cases smile.gif

3) not personally, ive used AS5 for a long time, but on the IHS, all tim's are good, even the "old/outdated" AS5 is within 2-5C from other tims in any of the reviews/tests online, the whole top15 tims is good enough to use on the ihs, that also is a personal preference...

on the die, we use liquid pro/ultra, its been proven here, thats the tim that works best, and gives amazing tempdrops over the other tim's,

AS5 on die, 80C hottest core


liquid pro on the die, 55C hottest core


25C difference smile.gif
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omg! thats a nightmare ...
i clean mine every now and then., i think it helps alot to prevent it,
the computer education i had, only said, never touch a psu, or start working on a monitor, dangerous ..lol


Oooh, damn is that torched!
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Who is the Corsair rep? I want to talk to them!
CorsairGorge

Thanks, I just PMed him and I hope they honor it. I can't believe this. I actually went and bought this PSU for $140 (on the expensive side, I Know) because I have never had a problem with Corsair before. Most of my PSUs are from Corsair and this is actually the first time any PSU has died, let alone bringing others with it. Hell, the Deer PSU in my OEM machine still works, how the hell did this happen?

If they don't honor it, I will be extremely mad. Should I wait until what Corsair says or should I go ahead and RMA it with Asus and Intel? I'm not sure which one. I'll probably wait before getting my GPUs now to see how much I have to spend to fix this goddamn issue!
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sonic.gif What comes after 5.167 GHz ? De-lidding ? Un-lidding (IHS free) ? What about my voltages ?

As intro, these recent Sabertooth Z77 thread posts:

That is an amazing 3770k you have. What batch is it? Have you done any stability testing on such as Intel Burn Test or Prime95? Do you have AVX updated on your OS? Is Hyper Threading enabled?

Looks very promising. Delidding should help. I run bare die to DT sniper water block (NO IHS) and cooling is great.
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Systemlord wrote: your voltages? man, ill trade you my 3770k right away, and its delidded already too ...LOL
they are great!, even when temps would be ok, i would still delid it, you have a great chip to delid, vcore wise ..

1) i would anyways, imagine running those oc's, but with at least 15-20+C lower temps, whatever you run, ibt/prime at that speed smile.gif

2) Thermatake Water 2 Extreme, my favorite over the H100..lol thumb.gif , we know theres not much difference in running with or without IHS,
its more a personal preference, sonda5 is our un-lidded expert here, im running with ihs, because 1) i have a aircooler, 2) the ihs function isnt only
spreading heat, but also to protect the die from being crushed or anything like that, i would only advice if you have a watercooler tho (weight aircoolers)
also, its a bit more work to get it right, with ihs, you just pop back the cooler, and your good to go in most cases smile.gif

3) not personally, ive used AS5 for a long time, but on the IHS, all tim's are good, even the "old/outdated" AS5 is within 2-5C from other tims in any of the reviews/tests online, the whole top15 tims is good enough to use on the ihs, that also is a personal preference...

on the die, we use liquid pro/ultra, its been proven here, thats the tim that works best, and gives amazing tempdrops over the other tim's,
Edited by VonDutch - Today at 12:08 am [

Thank you for the feedback thumb.gif ...if there is no appreciable difference between 'de-lid and un-lid' re temps, but the extra benefit of keeping the IHS as a protective shield, then de-lid sounds like the better option
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SonDa5 wrote: That is an amazing 3770k you have. What batch is it? Have you done any stability testing on such as Intel Burn Test or Prime95? Do you have AVX updated on your OS? Is Hyper Threading enabled?

Looks very promising. Delidding should help. I run bare die to DT sniper water block (NO IHS) and cooling is great.

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I have done Prime95 and other stability tests up to 5 GHz (4.8 and 5.0 are my daily settings...4.8 for programming, email and web, 5 for games). At 5, core temps creep up to 79 C to 82 C in stress testing. As to the 'batch', the chip is made in 'Costa Rica', batch # 3225B620 (pls don't ask me for the serial # though biggrin.gif )

EDIT - per CPUz pics, yes, Hyperthreading is always enabled (other than the last pic 4.8 run)
Edited by Joa3d43 - 1/16/13 at 12:36am
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Oooh, damn is that torched!

i dont think so, i did a google search on exploded psu, just for fun,
but saw some more of pics from this one, looked very bad, but its real, no torching on it..
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/26/exploding_computer_vs_reg_reader/
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"Yesterday my son was sitting at his desk working on a school project, when he heard a loud bang.
He said it sounded like a large fire cracker. Immediately following the minor explosion, smoke rose out of the back of his desk. blabla etc."
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I've had a couple PSU blow a cap, it does go like a gunshot. I avoid coolermaster now since the first on was a few month old 650 or 850w (can't remember), which couldn't handle a gtx 260 & i7 920.
The other was a brand new 1000w, maybe 4 hours use. Had an fx8150 at 7Ghz & was shooting for 7.2 when she blew.
    
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