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Originally Posted by [CyGnus] View Post

Totally Dubbed did you delide it already? Or just swap TIM's?

Only tim on ihs.
I posted here, simply because I was posting with dutch
post #8842 of 33558
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Originally Posted by megawatz View Post

Should I try and do the thermal paste again? I really don't care about getting CLP. If someone else with a 3570K using AS5 and gets temp drops using the same aspects they did, then why can't I?

What gives? I feel like this is a HUGE failure instead of a gain of delidding. I'm not seeing any effects of this yet.

if you dont care about getting liquid pro/ultra, you have to live with the minor temp drops you have now,
yea, re apply AS5, maybe it will do better this time,
but read back on the last page, my post there, i used it too,
and said, it behaves about the same as intels tim,
in a few weeks, or month(s) you temps will go up again(pump out effect)...trust me, i know smile.gif

another example,

using AS5,


using liquid pro,


25C difference between using AS5 and liquid pro!
Edited by VonDutch - 1/17/13 at 1:44pm
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Should I try and do the thermal paste again? I really don't care about getting CLP. If someone else with a 3570K using AS5 and gets temp drops using the same aspects they did, then why can't I?

What gives? I feel like this is a HUGE failure instead of a gain of delidding. I'm not seeing any effects of this yet.

I am just about to delid but reading through most of this thread I feel confident in saying delidding and using CLP or CLU goes hand in hand. Anything other than Coolabs seems to just be a wishful thought that may get lucky.
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Originally Posted by Solonowarion View Post

I am just about to delid but reading through most of this thread I feel confident in saying delidding and using CLP or CLU goes hand in hand. Anything other than Coolabs seems to just be a wishful thought that may get lucky.

But why though, Why does CLP make everything magically better? Yes, it's $20, but if I buy it and nothing happens, then I'm just screwed again.
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But why though, Why does CLP make everything magically better? Yes, it's $20, but if I buy it and nothing happens, then I'm just screwed again.

I would think it is due to its composition.
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But why though, Why does CLP make everything magically better? Yes, it's $20, but if I buy it and nothing happens, then I'm just screwed again.

heat transfer,

LM Pro = 82w/mK (according to a HWBOT 2008 TIM roundup)
LM Ultra = 38w/mK (coollaboratory info/helpdesk)
IX = 20w/mK (IX literature)
PK-1 = 10.2w/m (frozencpu)
everything else is less

the die is small, then it is more important what the w/mk is of any tim used,
you can use any good tim on the ihs, but on the die, the liquids rule big time smile.gif
it will be your best $20 spend really,
your smile wil be like this biggrin.gif
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But why though, Why does CLP make everything magically better? Yes, it's $20, but if I buy it and nothing happens, then I'm just screwed again.

Cl pro is the best Tim to put on the die, its due to fact it has high heat conductivity compared to other Tim.
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Originally Posted by megawatz View Post

But why though, Why does CLP make everything magically better? Yes, it's $20, but if I buy it and nothing happens, then I'm just screwed again.

Look at the member chart first page. All the proof you need. We can't guarantee anything. Just like taking a chance cutting your cpu in half. But you will see better temps if you take the $20 chance.
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megawatz, thanks for the reply. I think my dad is using some 2gb system or less right now for his work. It' s just family videos he does. Why not go over 8gb of ram? Or does he only need 8? And I think I'll probably go with an i5 3570k and just overclock it for him, im not sure he needs the power of a 3770k. It's not a big deal either way, I'll think about it though.

AS5 is as bad as stock pastes these days, and I'm pretty sure the stock paste used by intel under the IHS is better than AS5. It's over a decade old, it's horribly outdated. People got improvements using AS5 during delidding because reducing the gap by removing the glue is what drops temps, not replacing the paste.

AS5 is just some of the worst paste out there these days. It's so terribly dated. Problem is that it great 13 years ago, so people bought it, recommended it, and a vicious cycle continues because people generally get a single tube and that lasts them a lifetime of builds (or least 15+ years, ie 2-4 builds).

CLP/CLU would be a huge boost over AS5. I can't stress enough of how terrible AS5 is. Check out my review here of thermal pastes:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1346069/belials-heatsink-tim-comparison-and-reviews-hyper-212-h50-nh-d14-pk-1-pk-2-pk-3/0_100

I dont compare AS5, but I compare PK-1 to PK2/PK3. PK-1 is a bit dated too, but it generally is considered 1-5*C better than AS5 - a bit better, not much. In the tests I do, PK-1 gets blown away by a modern paste like PK-3. And with thermal pastes, a 1-2*C difference is considered extremely significant (its just paste after all), so the fact you'd see possibly 10*C difference in PK3 and AS5... i wouldn't be surprised in drops of over 15*C in CLU/CLP vs AS5.

TIM differences are also exagerrated under the IHS. What might be 'only' a 10*C+ difference that CLU/CLP has over AS5, would easily become 20*C+ when under the IHS.

It isn't so much that there's huge differences in pastes or CLU/CLP is so awesome (although it is, it's not a normal paste like PK3, Gelid GC extreme, NH-T1, Masscool, and other modern pastes that are at least 5-10*C better than as5), it's that as5 is junk.

It came out over 13 years ago. Think about how far along GPUs and CPUs have come in 13 years. If you don't want to drop $20 on CLU/CLP, buy an LED or something else you might need at frozencpu and use the 5.1% discount so you get free shipping and 5.1% off ship. You can also find a modern paste on Ebay in 1.5g quantity around $4 shipped, like PK-3, that is significantly better than AS5.

Let me put it this way - the difference between PK-3, and PK-1, a paste that is consistently ranked a couple degrees higher than AS5, is a larger temp drop than I got from going from a Hyper 212+ to Corsair H50 water cooling.
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On a side note, I don't think w/mk is everything when it comes to thermal transfer to pastes. I'm still not sold CLP is better than CLU until I see a bench comparing the 2. I'll email Coollaboratory and see what they have to say. I mean Ultra is supposed to be Pro version 2.0, I still can't imagine it's a downgrade (wouldn't be the first time that's happened in history though).
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