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I need to look into overclocking my RAM now, only thing that's not OC'd right now. I've got my 7770 OC'd with MSI AB but not by much.
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ahh forgot about that. thats why it isnt throttling down. good call good call. i set mine to 100%. changed the power options.

Yeah fixed mine too.. Well now it's fluctuating like crazy! Going from 4600, to 1600 then to 2700, back to 2400. While idle... :s
Might try re-booting first before I investigate more, +rep either way.
 
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yea it will fluctuate like mad. thats the cpu running where it needs to be. thats a good thing.
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yea it will fluctuate like mad. thats the cpu running where it needs to be. thats a good thing.

Yeah.. This is too much tongue.gif I think I may have changed a few BIOS related settings tongue.gif
 
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FtW 420, Valgaur, Swag, VonDutch and the accomplished delidders' crew out there

...working on prepping for the delid and want to add a custom cooling solution...I hope to confirm / find out:

1.) what material the actual die is...I would think silicon but it seems it has a metal sheen to it (I am asking re different expansion rates of i.e. copper and silicon /glass, given what I am working on which would partially 'hug' the die)

2.) Once delidded - AND WITHOUT the original glue that added a bit of height to the IHS, what (if any) is the height difference between IHS (no glue) and the die ? Conversely, without the glue, does the IHS sit on the die (with only a bit of CLP/U in-between...or is the IHS still higher than the die measured from the top of the pcb

Thank you very much for your feedback thumb.gif
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FtW 420, Valgaur, Swag, VonDutch and the accomplished delidders' crew out there

...working on prepping for the delid and want to add a custom cooling solution...I hope to confirm / find out:

1.) what material the actual die is...I would think silicon but it seems it has a metal sheen to it (I am asking re different expansion rates of i.e. copper and silicon /glass, given what I am working on which would partially 'hug' the die)

2.) Once delidded - AND WITHOUT the original glue that added a bit of height to the IHS, what (if any) is the height difference between IHS (no glue) and the die ? Conversely, without the glue, does the IHS sit on the die (with only a bit of CLP/U in-between...or is the IHS still higher than the die measured from the top of the pcb

Thank you very much for your feedback thumb.gif

So basically, it is made of silicon but I don't know the other specifics, I'd just recommend the CLP/CLU for the solution. Now for the 2nd part, the glue significantly raises the IHS away from the die, I believe it would be about half the height of the die that was lifted away from it so basically, imagine a 1 and 1/2 die planted on top of each other and that is the distance from the PCB to the base of the IHS.

I would just remove the glue and apply the CLP as it will bring the best results. Also, if you try to make your own custom solution, I'd recommend something really fine so you don't accidentally scratch the die.
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...working on prepping for the delid and want to add a custom cooling solution...I hope to confirm / find out:

1.) what material the actual die is...I would think silicon but it seems it has a metal sheen to it (I am asking re different expansion rates of i.e. copper and silicon /glass, given what I am working on which would partially 'hug' the die)

2.) Once delidded - AND WITHOUT the original glue that added a bit of height to the IHS, what (if any) is the height difference between IHS (no glue) and the die ? Conversely, without the glue, does the IHS sit on the die (with only a bit of CLP/U in-between...or is the IHS still higher than the die measured from the top of the pcb

Thank you very much for your feedback thumb.gif

1. The IHS is only had out of Copper and then it is Nickel Plated aroudn the entire thing. The only metals that could get in there is a complete mystery as Intel hasn't released information involving the IHS make up. or so far as I have seen.

2. Nopw with the IHS and no glue at all the IHS sits directly on the die for a full contact. so if you apply glue you must be very very slim in the amount. Thats why I left a small amoutn of the original glue opn the PCB so the IHS didn't slide very much as well. So when you don't have the glue at all you can get great contact by the little bending of the PCB when the latch is pressed down onto the IHS that results some of the pressure going back onto the PCB from the bending. So no harm will come to the die at all.

If that didn't make sense I'll explain it differently if need be thumb.gif
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Swag and Valgaur & Co

..thank you very much - very valuable information ! This is actually good news that the IHS sits on the die once the glue is out of the equation...and if the IHS is nickel-plated copper, all the better. thumb.gif

Basically, I am looking at three options

1.) run 'unlid' (no IHS), with 4 screws that hold the water-bloc down, making sure of a perfectly straight mount and thin 'drop' of CLP/U
or 1b) have a thin layer of pure extra soft copper sitting between the unlid die and the water-block

2.) cut the IHS to make it a 'convertible' if this makes any sense, with tiny vent holes drilled in the sides of the IHS (re trapped air). Not as good as 1, but a cabriolet version of the IHS may help to seat the CPU better

3.) much more involved: fabricate a custom water-block out of copper that not only sits on the die but is chamfered and basically 'encloses it half way' on teh die sides (sort of like a hat on a head)...this however is tricky, especially with different expansion rates in hot-cold cycles (can crack the die if not done right...I used to do a lot of metal work, but this requires a specialty shop with CNC...the advantage of a custom water block is that I can set it up multiple ways with different liquid 'and other' inlets outlets to experiment...again, what is critical with this approach is to know what the expansion rates are of the die

I appreciate your valuable insights thumb.gif ! Never having seen an exposed die (YouTube does not count) and touched it, it's great to communicate with folks who have...obviously there is very little room for error...and the pressure is even higher given that my 3770K runs very well (CPUz 5.210 4c/8t @ 1.464v), it seems to require slightly less volt at any given speed than average...if I screw that one up - oh dear
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i did 2 chips so far and didnt need any glue or anything between the chip and the ihs. put both back together with liquid pro and it fit perfectly. ihs from what i can see lapping it is copper plated in nickel like said above. it polishes up like a very high grade copper.
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Vi0lence wrote....i did 2 chips so far and didnt need any glue or anything between the chip and the ihs. put both back together with liquid pro and it fit perfectly. ihs from what i can see lapping it is copper plated in nickel like said above. it polishes up like a very high grade copper.

Thanks thumb.gif - the IHS basically being copper (nickel-plated or not) is good news for my plans
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