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imagine intel changed more then that, and started soldering the ihs again ...lol, better be careful Val biggrin.gif

wauw, remember the pump out effect we talked about alot in the paste,
idc made another nice pic to use to explain to others what it is,
1 pic says more then

"pump out effect

Basic concept

"Large and fast decreases in temperature when coupled with HLT instructions.
A usage pattern that alternates between full idle and full load conditions
will cause die temps to swing WIDE AND FAST, particularly with overclocked/overvolted CPUs.


This thermal cycling causes TIM pump-out, wherein the TIM gets ejected and displaced by air,
which is of course not a good thing.

Greases also creep, again worsening the situation."


I think this happens more often with IB because of how quick it heats up and cools off.
The die contact area is so small with such drastic temperatures is another reason."

blabla etc ..lol



http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?s=b724a52ab3625ff45bb5c1ca48b3f764&p=33840660&postcount=249

same goes for the original tim intel used, as we can see on just delidded ivy's,

theres more tim around the die, then on it see that? smile.gif
Edited by VonDutch - 1/26/13 at 12:30am
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imagine intel changed more then that, and started soldering the ihs again ...lol, better be careful Val biggrin.gif

pfft still crappy temps really.
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Originally Posted by FtW 420 View Post

My first reference 7970 was a bit of a dog, think it was artifacting by 1220 core with max software voltage. Had to hardmod it for voltage to really make it go.
The lightning 7970 is a pretty good one, 1270 - 1300 core at 1.25V stock cooled & 1365 on water at 1.3V. With chilly water ran 1400 core, can't wait till next week, have free time to finally bench the thing.

Gamers seem happy with either card, for benching the 7970 does better in the majority of them.

i was wondering about that FtW,
is it hard to do a hardmod for the voltage,
my 7970 seems to be hardware locked..
max i can get it to is 1100/1500

was thinking about it, but got no clue yet on the how to..
can you give me some pointers, or a link ?
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yea, join the club..lol thumb.gif
yep, i know that, i hit 105C at 4.5ghz, just a shame if you have that kind of (great) cooling, and still be limited by temps..
you could start with reading page 1, theres alot of info under the spoilers, i took about 1 month to prepare for the delid, by reading,
and watching all vid's i could find smile.gif

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Originally Posted by chann3l View Post

Quick tip or rather just a piece of knowledge for you. I have the same waterblock and because of how tight it sits it really pushed my ihs onto the PCB so it takes a bit of extra time and patience to get the blade in. Good luck im sure youll do fine thumb.gif

Thanks, guys. Received the TIM yesterday. Soon as I get through putting my SM8 back together I will give it my best shot.
I read everything posted over at Anandtech and quite a bit here about delidding. I will probably read it all again to make sure.
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Originally Posted by VonDutch View Post

imagine intel changed more then that, and started soldering the ihs again ...lol, better be careful Val biggrin.gif

pfft still crappy temps really.

Did you get your before and after IBT @ 4.5GHz so we can compare temps? Seeing the changed IHS makes me hope they are making some improvments, but probably not.

Your 5GHz looked good at a decent vcore. I think you may have a better chip than Franky! (Wonder if it is as tough? - only one way to find out!). biggrin.gif

Anyway congrats on having a new 3770K and it being a good one! thumb.gif
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Okay. finally got my OS right.. think I'm gonna take a wack at 5 Ghz and see where I can get.

Cool! You need to strip the XP image a bit more, I'm sure FtW can guide you regarding that, right?
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
What exactly is the headphone amp stuff (i use 2 crap speakers from some cd player system i got like 10 years ago, i mean they are just big speakers, they cant be bad though).

From what I read (in regards to Extreme4's alc898 vs UD3H), the alc898 is the same as VIA except in the 'midrange' in which case the VIA is slightly (unnoticeably) better (whatever that means, *** is mid-range).

I mean it's all the same, but from what I've read, the ud5h isn't really a better board than the ud3h. It's plainly just a ud3h with vrm heatsinks on the iGPU and a few other phases that dont need heatsinks on them (that top row), a doubler on lower quality mosfets (could be wrong on that, but i read that...somewhere, that ud5h uses lower quality mosfets) so it's not even a true 12+ phase (or is it? im a bit confused, doubler is the worse one right, ie extreme4 is 4+1 phase with a doubler), and some extra sata/usb ports (i dont use usb/sata 3.0 even, i use single ssd and thats it, and single gpu, as sli doesnt work for the programs i use to stream, any of them).

I mean sounds like for the price, the ud3h is a better value simply because ud5h isn't any improvement. I mean, pocketing $30, that's a no brainer, but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't downgrading or anything.

On a side note, I could just trade my UD3H for an extreme6 (since the extreme6 is $109 right now.. or is it extreme7, or 8, whatever, i do know the extreme4 is bad but the extreme6 or whatever is a high quality board and massive step up whereas the ud5h is not a massive step up from the ud3h, at least as i understand it). The one con with the ud5h though, that, unlike the ud3h, is does not have a ps/2 port. kind of a turn off.

On a side note, I'm gonna be binning 2 3570ks in the coming week. As I understand the way to 'bin' - set VID to 1.55, and push multi up, boot up into windows, dont even stress test just keep doing that until no more boot into windows. Then, do it again with next chip, compare results, one chip is better than the other. I happen to be making 2 3570k builds right now (ram is taking forever to arrive from canada, by the time it arrives the parts for this other build will all have arrived, not to mention that nh-d14 mount from austria so i'll probably have a cm v6gt @$25 and a full setup before then).

Also thinking of getting that $20 msi g41 for a build that will just be a minor oc on stock voltage or so (it's for someone else who is computer illiterate, im just gonna turn a quick 4.3+ ghz and whatever). that or the ud5h for $79.... might be a bit overkill for their needs.

Mate, the UD5H uses the same vrm if not better, don't worry about that...And the onboard sound is better. It's a better board hence it being the 5 and not 3 model tongue.gif I mean it! You even get some money so DO get it, be my guest.
As for the binning, that procedure will work with Sandy Bridge cpus not Ivy. Try to see the lowest possible vcore needed to boot 5ghz and run superpi 1m. That's it. Keep the lowest one and delid it.
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Hahaha, you know, that looks like a refurbed IHS. tongue.gif

I actually now that chip's owner, hersounds from XS and a local Argentina forum. tongue.gif
post #9967 of 33641
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Originally Posted by PCWargamer View Post

Did you get your before and after IBT @ 4.5GHz so we can compare temps? Seeing the changed IHS makes me hope they are making some improvments, but probably not.

Your 5GHz looked good at a decent vcore. I think you may have a better chip than Franky! (Wonder if it is as tough? - only one way to find out!). biggrin.gif

Anyway congrats on having a new 3770K and it being a good one! thumb.gif

Yeah I can aida 64 that 5ghz but can't ibt it with the temps. atleast the temps are somewhat close to each other. I can get 4.5 at 1.2 vcore (still a dirty OC) but its dead on stable. Might play with it more this afternoon and see what I can get from it.

So far though a solid chip really. 4.7 at 1.23 vcore then 4.8 at right around 1.32 depends really. Then 4.9 at 1.4 area then 5ghz at that 1.43 but it doesn't like BCLK that much.
post #9968 of 33641
I regret to inform, I'll never be joining the de-lid club for the I7.

I got a video coming up - can't even delid a pentium 4 (knowing that I've already hit the die)
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I regret to inform, I'll never be joining the de-lid club for the I7.

I got a video coming up - can't even delid a pentium 4 (knowing that I've already hit the die)
NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Jk just keeping things safe is a smart move.
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Originally Posted by Valgaur View Post

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Jk just keeping things safe is a smart move.

You'll see what mean - I've engraved a smiley face on the Pentium 4 and will frame it as "the invincible"
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