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Yes. they would..Remember when they cut XFX off from Fermi because they started selling AMD cards in order to remain in the green?

Actually I don't. But according to this nvidia did what I suggested, made XFX wait to get Fermi.

I don't see anything about making them wait, just that XFX had prototypes (Which doesn't mean they had chips, etc) and that nVidia cut them off or that XFX chose to.
    
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I don't see anything about making them wait, just that XFX had prototypes (Which doesn't mean they had chips, etc) and that nVidia cut them off or that XFX chose to.

Exactly.

Currently motherboard manufactures sell both Brands, Msi/Asus/Gigabyte.

Sapphire, Powercolor, HIS, Powercolor, VTX3D are current ATI Partners.

EVGA, Gainward/Palit, Inno3D, Galaxy, Zotac and Leadtek are solo Nvidia partners.


Little know fact about Gainward/Palit, is they made 4000 Series ATI cards their last series and stopped making ATI cards after that and now only do Nvidia cards.

Not many new to the scene actually remember this and assume their is no Dual brand manufactures that arn't motherboard manufacturers.

Which is completely naive and untrue.

Fermi tore it for alot of manufactures thats for sure, never ever been such a hell raiser such as that.
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My guess is that some manufacturers allowed OVing to unexceptable levels of what the power circuitry that Nvidia designed can handle. Resulting in a huge number of RMA's.

on nvidia forums, there were a huge number of complaints about non-working GTX 400 series and especially GTX 500 series cards.
Some OEMs were undervolting or overclocking without sufficient voltage or overclocking without sufficient cooling or doing something else which causes cards to become unstable or not work.

Remember the infamous thread on OCN "Have you killed a 570"?
In addition to nvidia, I also blame OEMs and us overclockers for the current situation.
Edited by Partol - 10/5/12 at 9:14pm
     
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The way I see this thing is that it is "much to do about nothing"... These new nVidia cards are designed in a way that they will give you top performance well within the voltage limits allowed by software (provided you get lucky on the silicon lottery)... The only people this new "stand" by nVidia would affect are the hardcore overclockers that wanted to go past those pre-set limits... But let's be honest; to the regular consumer... Being able to go to 1.3V on the core is not necessary; they're more than perfectly served by the 1.175V limit via software.

The way I look at it; nVidia just said: If you want to go "extreme" and feed your GPU 1.3V; go ahead and do the hardmods... Just know that you'll be voiding the warranty when you do so. If we're honest about this; just about the only people that would want/need to feed their GTX680s 1.3V to the core are the crazy guys you read about at HWBot; and they're more than happy to void warranties anyway so nothing lost here.

What nVidia did was make it so that the possibility of feeding a crazy voltage to a GPU is not there for the "regular Joe" to mistakenly do.... We all know that more than a few of the old Classified GPU RMAs were due to some inexperienced person punching in the wrong numbers on their EVBot and frying the thing on the spot; so nVidia is just covering their butts agains "ID10T" errors.
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on nvidia forums, there were a huge number of complaints about non-working GTX 400 series and especially GTX 500 series cards.
Some OEMs were undervolting or overclocking without sufficient voltage or overclocking without sufficient cooling or doing something else which causes cards to become unstable or not work.
Remember the infamous thread on OCN "Have you killed a 570"?
In addition to nvidia, I also blame OEMs and us overclockers for the current situation.
I guess that situation explains why the EVGA GTX 480 OC was boosted 26 MHz. lol

That "have you killed a 570?" thing should have been a sign that something was wrong with the way Nvidia was designing their cards, and nothing else. I heard of several people having their cards' VRMs fry at stock, whereas the GTX 480 had a very sturdy PWM system, and failures like this weren't common.
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The way I see this thing is that it is "much to do about nothing"... These new nVidia cards are designed in a way that they will give you top performance well within the voltage limits allowed by software (provided you get lucky on the silicon lottery)... The only people this new "stand" by nVidia would affect are the hardcore overclockers that wanted to go past those pre-set limits... But let's be honest; to the regular consumer... Being able to go to 1.3V on the core is not necessary; they're more than perfectly served by the 1.175V limit via software.
The way I look at it; nVidia just said: If you want to go "extreme" and feed your GPU 1.3V; go ahead and do the hardmods... Just know that you'll be voiding the warranty when you do so. If we're honest about this; just about the only people that would want/need to feed their GTX680s 1.3V to the core are the crazy guys you read about at HWBot; and they're more than happy to void warranties anyway so nothing lost here.
What nVidia did was make it so that the possibility of feeding a crazy voltage to a GPU is not there for the "regular Joe" to mistakenly do.... We all know that more than a few of the old Classified GPU RMAs were due to some inexperienced person punching in the wrong numbers on their EVBot and frying the thing on the spot; so nVidia is just covering their butts agains "ID10T" errors.

The voltage cap is currently incredibally low and there is a large difference between 1.175 and 1.3.

Keep spinning though.
    
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In a few years it will be a worthless out dated card so who needs it to last a lifetime anyhow wink.gif
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I think the ideal solution (for us) is for Nvidia and AMD to start producing and selling gpu's and gpu boards separately, similiar to how cpu's are sold separately from motherboards.

Unlocked gpu's could have a much shorter warranty than locked gpu's.
For people who dont want to bother with installing a gpu into a socket, OEM's could also sell gpu's which are pre-installed onto boards (which is what they currently do).

Upgradeable gpu's,vram, cooler, .... would be so very awesome for us.
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To all of these guys spewing the Nvidia talking points as if they were paid representatives, I ask you this simple question: What was so wrong with how voltage was handled with Fermi? All I want is to be able to OC my GTX 680 as easily and effectively as I did my GTX 580. I didn't ask for a pathetic "GPU Boost" gimmick. I wasn't worried about the warranty on my 580's so why would I be now? By completely shutting down overvolting in this generation Nvidia has effectively removed ALL of the fun of buying their top end cards. Period. Spin all you want but this is a huge let down for me and I have always been a huge Nvidia fanboy!
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Exactly. What I don't get is why people feel the need to agree with everything nvidia does - even though I like nvidia and love my current cards, I cannot agree with them on this change.

This won't prevent me from buying future products but I really hope this doesn't happen with their next gen parts. Nvidia has to recognize that cards such as the DC2, lightning, etc are not the same as reference -- and are more capable of handling slight voltage adjustments. Its similar to an ivy bridge CPU - you wouldn't dream of overvolting SB/IB with the stock cooler but if you get a good cooler, that allows you more overclocking headroom via additional voltage.

I would like nvidia to recognize that some custom designs are more robust and are able to handle slight over voltage.
Edited by xoleras - 10/5/12 at 9:57pm
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