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I mean no offense, but you speak as if you haven't read both articles fully and don't really understand Kepler products.redface.gif

have you looked at my sig? running a 670 here overclocked pretty high and very happy with it on stock "locked" BIOS. modded bios allows for higher voltage if ones needs it (tried it, it was fun, but don't want to risk card lifespan, so using stock bios for daily needs). hardware mods allow for even higher voltages, etc. why bother with nvidia stance on this regarding warranty to vendor ... it's a vendor problem, not a problem to consumer... vendors need to grow up, not consumers.

skimmed through articles (there is a different similar thread from 2 days ago with an nvidia PR REP answers to same question) and understood the essence, not going into details.
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amd needs to work on their drivers first...i had 3 generations of amd cards and it was the driver support that made me switch

AMDs drivers were last generation and when they were bad they were awful (especially with my HD 6990) but now they are solid. Games just need to support AMD Gaming Evolve more and you'll see them out performing Nvidia every time. Even using this generations hardware.

I've owned GTX 690, GTX 680 4GB SLI, LIghtning HD 7970 xfire, Devil 13 HD 7990 to power my trplie monitor set up and they are close to identical performance wise, driver wise etc. I preferred the performance of the AMD and thought the Devil 13 was the best of the lot. Would still have it if it had three matching display outputs.

So kill the AMD hate they are actually doing a lot of things better at the moment. One being allowing overvolting and true enthusiast cards which is honestly the most important.

I may be running Nvidia cards at the moment because I'm playing a lot of planetside 2 but it won't be for long. Only game I've played where AMD have been awful in but that's just because of the BETA and it's an Nvidia game.
    
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this is cut out of context. the deal is that vendors (AIBs) have 2 choices:
a) make reference designs with locked max voltage auto-boosting and have them warrantied by nvidia
b) make own designs with overvolting and everything and no warranty from nvidia
that sentence you marked bold above was referencing to violation of the rules for a) and has nothing to do with b)
while b) is still an option, but vendors will have to provide end-consumers with their own warranty instead of counting on good uncle nvidia to pay for their broken designs...
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have you looked at my sig? running a 670 here overclocked pretty high and very happy with it on stock "locked" BIOS. modded bios allows for higher voltage if ones needs it (tried it, it was fun, but don't want to risk card lifespan, so using stock bios for daily needs). hardware mods allow for even higher voltages, etc. why bother with nvidia stance on this regarding warranty to vendor ... it's a vendor problem, not a problem to consumer... vendors need to grow up, not consumers.
skimmed through articles (there is a different similar thread from 2 days ago with an nvidia PR REP answers to same question) and understood the essence, not going into details.

So... You haven't read the articles...

It's not out of context. nVidia PR may be saying that, but the vendors are reporting a completely different stance from nVidia, one that threatens to revoke supplies. Read the articles.

Quite frankly, you sound like you are simply scrambling to defend the nVidia brand.
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Well, if you go on EVGA's forums...They didn't actually know the EVBot was removed until a customer brought it to their attention...Only then did they confirm it was gone...

To me, that says that Nvidia basically made the swap behind their back...Clearly no mfctr. is going to argue that publicly but, considering it took Jacob/EVGA literally 6 hours + to verify and respond...That says a lot.

The voltage locking really started with the 590 and they've refined/continued it further...Clearly, that's the case.

IMO they're hurting the market but, that's just me.

Buying 3/4 of the cards from EVGA is now, actually, useless...The same goes for MSI...Especially now that the lock is public...

Personally, if I was in their situation, I'd sue Nvidia...You just crippled 3/4 of my enthusiast base and publicly lied about + The removal of the EVbot...I mean, seriously? You don't expect a lawsuit?
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have you looked at my sig? running a 670 here overclocked pretty high and very happy with it on stock "locked" BIOS. modded bios allows for higher voltage if ones needs it (tried it, it was fun, but don't want to risk card lifespan, so using stock bios for daily needs). hardware mods allow for even higher voltages, etc. why bother with nvidia stance on this regarding warranty to vendor ... it's a vendor problem, not a problem to consumer... vendors need to grow up, not consumers.
skimmed through articles (there is a different similar thread from 2 days ago with an nvidia PR REP answers to same question) and understood the essence, not going into details.

There's a difference between owning/experience and understanding, and a difference between skimming and reading.tongue.gif

This article purports that Nvidia is borderline threatening its AIBs, while the other article is directly from Nvidia painting a comparatively rosy portrait of ostensible "choice" by the vendors. If this article is correct, it's more like coercion backed by threat than choice.
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The worst part about this crap is the effect it will have on innovative custom boards like the DC2, lightning, PE, etc. Seriously, whats the point other than noise now?

Great news, you can get a quiter GTX 680 with a 660$ classified. Give me a break, people aren't that stupid. Overvolting in the past was the entire reason people opted for such custom boards. Now, whats the reason for a custom board with a 100$ price premium? rolleyes.gif
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Well, if you go on EVGA's forums...They didn't actually know the EVBot was removed until a customer brought it to their attention...Only then did they confirm it was gone...
To me, that says that Nvidia basically made the swap behind their back...Clearly no mfctr. is going to argue that publicly but, considering it took Jacob/EVGA literally 6 hours + to verify and respond...That says a lot.
The voltage locking really started with the 590 and they've refined/continued it further...Clearly, that's the case.
IMO they're hurting the market but, that's just me.
Buying 3/4 of the cards from EVGA is now, actually, useless...The same goes for MSI...Especially now that the lock is public...
Personally, if I was in their situation, I'd sue Nvidia...You just crippled 3/4 of my enthusiast base and publicly lied about + The removal of the EVbot...I mean, seriously? You don't expect a lawsuit?
First of all, that says a lot more about the organisation of EVGA's PR than it does about anything Nvidia did.

Also, I doubt anyone could find a reason to sue Nvidia over this. They do deserve it for totally screwing up EVGA's line of cards, and making MSI release a line of terrifyingly designed cards just to give their customers what they wanted.
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So... You haven't read the articles...
It's not out of context. nVidia PR may be saying that, the vendors are reporting a completely different stance from nVidia, one that threatens to revoke supplies. Read the articles.
Quite frankly, you sound like you are just scrambling to defend the nVidia brand.

scrambling is what most people in this thread do, I sit well assured playing games on my single 670 reference at similar performance level I could get from 570 SLI in past ... not defending nvidia, just trying to state that the "problem" you all are worried about is of course about money and it exists between vendors and nvidia and eventually may touch the end consumers, especially the ones interested in buying a warrantied highly overclockable products (with components overvolted way above reference design).

with all do respect I trust more an official statement of NVIDIA than some unofficial snippets from some insider who was not authorized to even release them - it's not officially confirmed and may change before final version a dozen times.

for now it looks to me like vendors try boycotting nvidia by dropping the factory overclocked and modified products from fear of paying for potential RMAs on those products and sticking to "safe" ones. I am not affiliating with ANY company in question and I could care less what they all come up with in the end, but knowing all corporations exist to make money, I am confident they will find a resolution pretty quickly. most likely the extra warranty/RMA cost will get shifted onto end-consumers, wouldn't be surprised if it comes to that if someone want to run a vendor modded design with unlocked voltage limits up to potentially unsafe levels.

I can understand nvidia's official position (reference products in warranty - vendor gets paid for RMA, modded designs no warranty - vendor covers the cost of RMA) as it's sound and very logical to me.
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doh.gifthumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

Consumer buttkick.gif Nvidia


Next upgrade will be Amd (will wait for current gen drivers to mature a bit more).
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If only video cards had more to gain.

Case-in-point: can you even begin to imagine the amount of backlash if Intel were to voltage-lock its chips to 1.20v under parallel allegations?wackosmiley.gif
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