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Foxconn should be training their employees so they know how to deal with these things.
It is to be expected... but not out of the box.
What?
Companies don't just give out money for the sake of it. They're already making more than the minimum wage in China. And Apple isn't the only company to use Foxconn either.
Are you talking about Foxconn or Apple? If the latter, the employees belong to Foxconn, not Apple.

Yea I know that. Apple still knows the conditions at their manufacture.
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Apple aren't the ones who pay the workers...

They know the working conditions/wages and support it by using Foxconn to handle manufacturing for them.
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Yea I know that. Apple still knows the conditions at their manufacture.
They know the working conditions/wages and support it by using Foxconn to handle manufacturing for them.

By no way do I condone these work conditions It's horrendous, but perhaps apple continues to use Foxconn because maybe they're in a dead-end contract for X amount of years, that's just a guess their lawyers would probably be a lot smarter to protect a multi billion dollar company.
And maybe they looked at other companies and FoxConn is their cheapest form of manufacturing and every company is out to grab their money.

Apple make great products but I don't see myself purchasing a product from them when they are made in poor work conditions, but that's just my opinion.
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Yea I know that. Apple still knows the conditions at their manufacture.

They know the working conditions/wages and support it by using Foxconn to handle manufacturing for them.
Yes and they're working to improve them, and have done so by a fair amount too. Wages are up, max work hours are down, overtime is decreased, yearly inspections are up, etc., etc.

And other companies do the same. See below.
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By no way do I condone these work conditions It's horrendous, but perhaps apple continues to use Foxconn because maybe they're in a dead-end contract for X amount of years, that's just a guess their lawyers would probably be a lot smarter to protect a multi billion dollar company.
And maybe they looked at other companies and FoxConn is their cheapest form of manufacturing and every company is out to grab their money.

Apple make great products but I don't see myself purchasing a product from them when they are made in poor work conditions, but that's just my opinion.
I'm curious will you also not purchase products from Samsung, Microsoft, Nokia, HP, Dell, Acer, Amazon, Intel, Motorola Mobility and every other company which uses Foxconn? The working conditions aren't great, but they're also not as bad as they're made out to be, and nor is Apple the only company who uses Foxconn. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers
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I'm curious will you also not purchase products from Samsung, Microsoft, Nokia, HP, Dell, Acer, Amazon, Intel, Motorola Mobility and every other company which uses Foxconn? The working conditions aren't great, but they're also not as bad as they're made out to be, and nor is Apple the only company who uses Foxconn. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers
The majority of complaints come from Foxconn and Apple. Especially when a apple product is leaked from Foxconn, their employees kill themselves for leaking prototypes or whatever the case may be.

Not to mention, Motorolas overall build quality is quite good for their phones. This is no excuse for Apple to strictly tell their employees to simply do a better job.
Samsung produces their phones in korea

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Edited by zephiK - 10/6/12 at 4:44am
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Lol, Foxconn still pays their workers better than your average Chinese factory, because Foxconn are open to international scrutiny whereas your average sweatshop isn't. Anyway, dunno why everyone is blaming Apple for this, it's like blaming Corsair because CWT's factory workers are being mistreated.

Unfeeling or not, I'm all for better quality standards when it comes to Apple products. Of course, I'd like the cost to stay the same as well.
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Yes and they're working to improve them, and have done so by a fair amount too. Wages are up, max work hours are down, overtime is decreased, yearly inspections are up, etc., etc.
And other companies do the same. See below.
I'm curious will you also not purchase products from Samsung, Microsoft, Nokia, HP, Dell, Acer, Amazon, Intel, Motorola Mobility and every other company which uses Foxconn? The working conditions aren't great, but they're also not as bad as they're made out to be, and nor is Apple the only company who uses Foxconn. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers

I knew FoxConn was big, but I didn't know It was that big!
Hmm perhaps I overreacted but hopefully these working conditions have improved, oh and also I heard that a riot was caused last or a few months ago because a security guard supposedly attacked a worker and they wanted another wage increase.

I don't know the entire story but Fox Conn is surely developing a bad reputation and I doubt that people are out to get them when they have a wide variety of companies depending on them.
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I knew FoxConn was big, but I didn't know It was that big!
Hmm perhaps I overreacted but hopefully these working conditions have improved, oh and also I heard that a riot was caused last or a few months ago because a security guard supposedly attacked a worker and they wanted another wage increase.
I don't know the entire story but Fox Conn is surely developing a bad reputation and I doubt that people are out to get them when they have a wide variety of companies depending on them.

There was a huge riot a week or so ago, over supposed mistreatment of employees by security officers. However, they sullied it by smashing every window and damaging alot of Foxconn property, in typical Chinese fashion (read: anti-Japanese riots about Senkaku.) People are suprised when these workers get treated like slaves but seriously, it's virtually what the underclasses are, and not just economically.
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The majority of complaints come from Foxconn and Apple. Especially when a apple product is leaked from Foxconn, their employees kill themselves for leaking prototypes or whatever the case may be.
Foxconn is responsible for what happens in their facilities, not Apple.
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Not to mention, Motorolas overall build quality is quite good for their phones. This is no excuse for Apple to strictly tell their employees to simply do a better job.
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I'm not talking about build quality. I'm simply pointing out that Apple is hardly the only company to use Foxconn. And they can tell Foxconn to up quality control, but Foxconn should also be teaching their workers the necessary skills for what Apple is asking.
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I knew FoxConn was big, but I didn't know It was that big!
Hmm perhaps I overreacted but hopefully these working conditions have improved, oh and also I heard that a riot was caused last or a few months ago because a security guard supposedly attacked a worker and they wanted another wage increase.

I don't know the entire story but Fox Conn is surely developing a bad reputation and I doubt that people are out to get them when they have a wide variety of companies depending on them.
Yeah they're pretty huge. They have like 1 million workers in China, most of which live on-site across a dozen or so facilities.
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There was a huge riot a week or so ago, over supposed mistreatment of employees by security officers. However, they sullied it by smashing every window and damaging alot of Foxconn property, in typical Chinese fashion (read: anti-Japanese riots about Senkaku.) People are suprised when these workers get treated like slaves but seriously, it's virtually what the underclasses are, and not just economically.


Sure It isn't the same but It has It's similarities..
Edited by TopicClocker - 10/6/12 at 5:46am
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Foxconn is responsible for what happens in their facilities, not Apple.
I'm not talking about build quality. I'm simply pointing out that Apple is hardly the only company to use Foxconn. And they can tell Foxconn to up quality control, but Foxconn should also be teaching their workers the necessary skills for what Apple is asking.
Yeah they're pretty huge. They have like 1 million workers in China, most of which live on-site across a dozen or so facilities.
Apple is responsible for letting what happens in Foxconn. Especially when Foxconn doesn't do enough to ensure that their workers are in healthy working conditions. Apple is too afraid to back out of having "cheap labor" in making their products. There has even been "undercover" employees and they would tell their stories at working at Foxconn

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China Labor Watch said several iPhone 5 production lines at the factory were paralyzed after the workers found the new quality control demands difficult to meet and went on strike. The group said the workers also were angry about being forced to work through China's National Day Golden Week holiday, which ends Sunday.
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Labor activists have said the rollout of the iPhone 5 has led to longer working hours and more pressure on workers.
Do I need to say more? ... not to mention, your avatar is well... a logo of "Apple" so its a overall pretty biased post of yours.
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