$1000 First Build Suggestions Wanted - Page 3

lol well wat do u want to do when u grow up. And make it sound legit lol. Then relate it back to how this build will help nad yadda yadda yadda and all the experiences u get yadda yadda yadda. Thats what I convinced my parents.

Just relate how this build will help u in the future and how significant the help will be thats the biggest part for me

You can say you considered a life of crime if this does not work out.

The problem with that weekend of "deals" is that, you can wind up feeling pressured to buy stuff that may not be exactly what you wanted because of a price point, and in the end, it's not actually as good a deal as it might seem. What you will see in the coming weeks, is deals drying up, so that when a bunch of "new" deals hit the market on black friday, it creates the "illusion" of a good deal.

I'm sure your mother means well, but dictating the terms of the purchase in a market she does not understand is counterproductive. There is too much opportunity for a guilt ridden hair pulling weekend of trying to sort out a build "on the fly" as deals come and go and products sell out in minutes.

Sitting back and methodologically choosing components and deals that you have TIME to decide on, will result in the best build for the lowest price. Trying to throw a build together as deals come and go through the "holiday shopping weekend" will be a huge PITA. By the time it's all over you will probably be grounded and your mother will be on the phone with a therapist.

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There is an error in the original post. The Fortress series is not manufactured by SuperFlower, it has ATNG internals. Nothing wrong with that PSU though. ATNG has been the OEM for many respectable PSUs.

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For a NON-OCing rig with the following intended uses:

The 3570K is the wrong CPU. You're paying a premium for the "K" and sacrificing potential performance and options. For less than the cost of a 3570K you can own this: http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=XEON1230V2
That gives you hyperthreading, which can improve performance in heavily threaded workloads over the i5 by as much as 30%. Furthermore, it has a larger L3 cache, 4 more PCIE lanes, ECC memory support, Intel® Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O (VT-d), and Intel® Trusted Execution Technology (all things the i5 lacks). You may or may not ever take advantage of any of these features, but why sacrifice them for a "K" that you aren't that interested in anyway? The hyperthreading alone is worth the switch to the E3 at this price, as it will improve performance in those video/music/encoding/VM loads.

The E3 series chips are supported on MOST consumer 1155 socket boards, however, check the CPU support list to make sure. I see you are looking primarily at Gigabyte and MSI boards, and most of them DO support the full line of E3 Xeons.

An even better argument for the E3, is pure justified bragging rights. You can "show em up" at LAN parties with a workstation class CPU that performs like their more expensive i7s but costs about the same as an i5. "oh yea, well I have a XEON, TBHTBHTBHBHBTBGBBTBH!" (I'm not joking, I would totally brag about this)

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There's no good reason for a $200 MOBO unless you NEED a specific feature on that board. Considering that the CPU I'm suggesting has a TDP rating of just 69W and won't be OCed, I see no reason to concern yourself with big heavy duty VRM packages. Keep in mind, that pretty much every 1155 socket MOBO made is capable of handling a stock clocked 95W TDP rated sandybridge chip, so you should have no problems with a cost effective motherboard running an Ivy Xeon chip with no integrated GPU. The ~$75-80 ASRock B75 PRO3 or H77 Pro4/MVP meets the need here IMO. You can pay more if you want, but imagine me as your mother shaking a finger back and forth asking where the value is. Maybe up to ~$120 is justifiable, something like a GIGABYTE GA-Z77-D3H or MSI Z77A-G45. Beyond that, I say you are dabbling in bad value unless you think you need an SLI upgrade path. (you probably don't). The boards I've suggested here have the PS/2 and S/PDIF ports you are looking for.

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For the GPU, I think you should ask yourself how much CAD and how heavy you might get into that. A very big CAD project will demand a workstation class GPU rather than a gaming GPU for smooth 3D viewing. Gaming GPUs typically have no official support in those pro apps, but will provide a bare minimum and functional/usable result in most cases. The problem with a workstation class GPU, is that, they are about 3-6X the price of equal performing consumer cards in gaming. So, you cold dump some $450 on a W5000, and it will perform pretty similar in games to an HD7770. The same $450 would of course buy a flagship gaming card, so this becomes a bit of a delima and you'll have to decide how much emphasis you want the build to have on the pro creation app performance, vs the casual gaming performance. As far as consumer cards go, anything from the GTX650Ti to the GTX670 is a good value and good performance, as is anything from the HD7770 to the HD7950.


Best of luck with the build,
Eric

Hello HybridCore,

The only reason to go with the i5-3570K over the E3-1230V2, would be if you were absolutely going to overclock the rig, or absolutely needed the on-chip GPU for something. As far as compute capabilities, the Xeon is more feature rich with the ability to do everything an i5 can, and more. The slightly lower clock speed of the E3 is a non-issue. The hyper-threaded instruction handling and larger L3 cache will overcome that difference in pretty much every scenario.

I should also point out this link: http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=XE1230V2BX

That's the retail box edition that comes with a standard issue intel heatsink, which is actually perfectly effective for cooling a stock clocked Ivy and could be used to help cut the budget downward.

You may have better luck convincing your parents to help fund the build, if you show them that you are willing to cut some corners and present a build proposition to them that is less expensive. There's no reason this build HAS to cost $1000. Get those $200 mobo options out of there, especially if you go with the E3 chip, which would comfortably run on a $75 B75 board. Why pay for an SLI OCing board if you're not going to put a big enough PSU in to support it, and not going to put in an OCable CPU? Multiple GPU and OCing capabilities are what you find in those expensive boards, these are unnecessary capabilities for most builds.

Eric

Interesting, first time I heard a Xeon thrown in there. Any benchmarks? Its hard to test "real life applications" and say that an AMD A8 is better than an i3 at "real life, every day tasks" as it depends on many factors that are hard to calculate.

But if we use the general tests of games, video editing, benchmarking programs and a few others, how does the Xeon pit against the i5? Haiburi may like to video edit and what not? Who knows. Thinking outside the box, I like it. Although I'm a bit unsure as usually those outside of the i series for people on OCN may not offer best price to perofmrance for what they are doing. I am too lazy to check benchmarks and have no time as well.

Everything else in this thread more or less is the same. Not a big deal. Some good SSD's such as the 830 was on sale for $70 the other day, the 128(or was it 120?) variant that is.

Case case, whatever. Haiburi knows what he wants, and he isn't doing real liquid cooling or filling up a case with a plethora of components either.

Motherboard motherboard I choose you happens every time. Basically left with 3-4 motherboards. WEll guess what. Pick one.

PSU PSU what should I say about P S U? Meh, I like Rosewill for their price, but the OCZ Mod Xstream Pro's are on sale a lot. I have bought three Mod Xstream pro 700W's at $50 multiple times. The feedback(not reviews of course) on newegg and elsewhere are high enough and have a couple hundred feedback so its a stable set of number of people so why not. Its modular, has the number of rails and ports, and shielding, you need. SLI and Crossfire whatever. Has the rails and components inside to handle it. Comes with a nice baggie for extra wires and voila. Of course some prefer Corair or Seasonic or Antec or the NZXT's now or...whatever.

Graphics card? Self explanatory, many charts and daily month recommendations for a good card in a price range. Last I remembered, Haiburi wasn't a gamer, and only wants to play a select few driving games. A $150 GPU should do. AMD could fit nicely here. Nvidia as well. Whatever will be will be.

about it I guess.

Where the hell you been !!