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Not that the PSU isn't important but with an AMD APU setup where one also wouldn't be overclocking much. $120 for a PSU is a bit too much. Sub $50 is what I would go for, depending on if they want future cards or etc.
$15 more for a Gold rated psu isn't a bad investment. $65 for that rosewill.
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The motherboard is great. I'm using one. LOVE IT>
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The 5600K and Biostar Hi-Fi A85W FM2 AMD A85X with the free RAM deal is exactly what I would suggest as well! I have a hard time with the A10... The GPU is so bottled by the IMC that it just doesn't make sense. Often the 5600K is within 5-10% anyway.

If you discover in the long run that the APU doesn't have enough GPU grunt, don't bother with the hybrid route, just skip ahead to something like an HD7770 or better. There's no reason to be taking on all of the tradeoffs of a crossfire configuration unless it comes with an up side that is noteworthy enough (beyond the performance of any single discrete card).

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ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Item #: N82E16827135204
$19.99

Fractal Design Arc Midi Black High Performance PC Computer Case w/ USB 3.0 and 3 x Fractal High Performance 140mm fans
$79.99

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$84.99

HIS IceQ X H785QN2G2M Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
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$64.99

MSI Z77A-GD55 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
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We could probably shave off another fifty bucks here and there. Smaller HD, cheaper case. Or you could decrease some stuff and get a slightly better cooled 7850 for better OCing. If you really want to do budget then you are probly better off doing the APU route. But this would be a pretty Sweet rig for 800...
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For APU rig, I used mostly the same components except, no 7850.

With the A10 5800k, and the Biostar HiFi A85W.

if you are going to get the APU mind as well get the best, that way you have reasonable system capability for the longest time.

I also switched the samsung F3 1TB for a 500 GB WD black. And added a CM212 Evo


Total before shipping: 595$


So the top end APU rig is ~200$ cheaper. But will it have that staying power, will you be satisfied? Not "will it fulfill your needs?", but will it satisfy your upgrade desires? If not then you will just end up spending more money in a short time anyway. 2cents.gif
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The only thing I will say is this: It is always possible to do simple computer tasks with overly powerful hardware, however, it is not possible to do demanding workloads with inferior hardware.
Sort of like education. If you get a technical degree, you can still easily get a non technical job. Whereas if you get a Non technical degree it is much more difficult to get a job in a technical field.
The Point: While you may not need or use the hardware now, whats to say that you won't change your desired applications or games in the future. I also do not know how often you upgrade, if not very often then I would go with the more capable setup.
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Skip the i3 go AMD, this is coming from someone with an i3. AMD's new offerings are pretty fantastic, they are not expensive and offer pretty great graphics should you decide to pick up a game that is a little more demanding. $10 off coupon code on the A8 5600k $99 at newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113281
$95 mobo with Free $40 worth of ram. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138366
$200 for mobo, cpu, and ram combo you can't go wrong. AMD + Biostar is the combo that got me into Overclocking and ultimately enhanced my enthusiasm in tech. This is what I would go for should you choose the APU route. I'm big on value as you can tell more so than biggest and shiniest, only reason to go i3 over AMD's APU really is if you plan on getting a discrete card later.
Comparison: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-trinity-apu,3241-9.html 5600k and i3

I don't think I'll ever play something like Batman so I think I'll be fine, but it's good to know that an A8 and A10 can get around 30fps on 1080p (getting a Dell S2440L because its color accuracy head on is very close to the U2412M and you wouldn't notice in practice, even in juxtaposition. Blacks are better though and I'll always be viewing it head on. Still has the dark impulse overshoot though). I play casual games (twin-stick shooters, puzzlers, platformers, etc.) and they aren't that demanding so I should be fine with an APU. The i3 and A10 perform around the same anyways and they cost the same, but the A10 comes with a better GPU on die (IIRC it's a HD6000 series based chip, which is why it can only pair up with a 6670 at best IIRC).

The Biostar board looks good to me. smile.gif
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Not that the PSU isn't important but with an AMD APU setup where one also wouldn't be overclocking much. $120 for a PSU is a bit too much. Sub $50 is what I would go for, depending on if they want future cards or etc.

I have my eyes set on the SeaSonic G-360. I believe it's $50 after MIR. Total power draw is around 200-220W w/o overclocking according to PCPartPicker (but with the Gigabyte Ultra Durable A85X board since they don't have the MSi one I'm looking at. Shouldn't make much of a difference).
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ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Item #: N82E16827135204
$19.99
Fractal Design Arc Midi Black High Performance PC Computer Case w/ USB 3.0 and 3 x Fractal High Performance 140mm fans
$79.99
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 ST1000DM005/HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$84.99
HIS IceQ X H785QN2G2M Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
$189.99 + $10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
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$64.99
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Intel Core i3-3220 Ivy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 55W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2500 BX80637i33220
$129.99
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit
$99.99
Subtotal: $809.92 Before Shipping
We could probably shave off another fifty bucks here and there. Smaller HD, cheaper case. Or you could decrease some stuff and get a slightly better cooled 7850 for better OCing. If you really want to do budget then you are probly better off doing the APU route. But this would be a pretty Sweet rig for 800...

I may not need Windows 7 considering the fact that my school's in the Dreamspark program. I just need to ask whoever's in charge of the school's e-mails to let Microsoft (and AutoDesk) send their e-mails to me since they like to filter them out.
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For APU rig, I used mostly the same components except, no 7850.
With the A10 5800k, and the Biostar HiFi A85W.
if you are going to get the APU mind as well get the best, that way you have reasonable system capability for the longest time.
I also switched the samsung F3 1TB for a 500 GB WD black. And added a CM212 Evo
Total before shipping: 595$
So the top end APU rig is ~200$ cheaper. But will it have that staying power, will you be satisfied? Not "will it fulfill your needs?", but will it satisfy your upgrade desires? If not then you will just end up spending more money in a short time anyway. 2cents.gif

No 7850 is fine. If I do get a discrete GPU, might as well get an i3.

I don't really need the performance of the 500GB WD Black, and I can get a 1TB/platter WD10EZEX WD Blue (1TB/platter) drive that performs great for around the same price.
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Sounds to me like you know what you want at this point. Good Luck sir!... Hopefully my input at least helped you figure out exactly what you were looking for. Have a good Holiday. cheers.gif


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Hello Biorganic,

I'm going to pick on you a little don't take it personally... This can be a teachable moment for everyone following along...

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SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 ST1000DM005/HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$84.99

This was a fantastic drive 2-3 years ago when 500GB/platter density was just going mainstream. This drive at the time performed very similar to the caviar black of the day, and was much less expensive. Fast forward to today, and this drive isn't so attractive when there is almost always a single platter seagate or WD drive available for $70 from one of the major vendors.

Examples: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex

The increased platter density improves throughput by ~50%, reduces power consumption/heat and bearing wear, and, can improve seek time, (though in the case of the WD blue, it is tuned for quiet operation so seek time is nothing special but it'll still do darn near 200MB/s sequential at the outer edge).
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The ASRock Extreme3 is available at a discounted price of just $100 and also comes with the free RAM deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157330
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Intel Core i3-3220 Ivy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 55W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2500 BX80637i33220
$129.99

Take the savings from switching to the ASRock board and the less expensive but faster HD (an extra $55), apply it to the CPU (CPU budget is now $185 to keep final price the same), and an entry level i5-Ivy fits just fine: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=72279&vpn=BX80637I53470&manufacture=Intel&promoid=120
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I finally reminded myself to look through the Newegg pre-Black Friday sales and I can get a CX600 PSU by the end of today for $29.99 after MIR (the efficiency isn't such a big issue because I wouldn't notice a difference in general use, and it's only a few cents on the power bill).

I can also get a 500GB WD Blue for $50 (or the 500GB WD Black with the crippled 1TB/platter discs due to the fact that they've crammed 500GB onto one side of the disc and not the other. That one costs $70 though and I don't think I will notice much of a difference). If I do go with the 500GB WD Blue for $50, I can use the $30 I saved to get a 120/128GB SSD instead or just stick with the 64GB M4.

Edit: I almost have the i3 build ready. I just need to choose a GPU.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/oEaQ
780 or more (some cost $200 while I can get a HIS 7870 for $210). Other than that, I'm considering the 7770 (the 7750 and 650 both perform the same and cost the same, basically. MSi has a 7770 that costs less than both the 7750 and 650 though after MIR so I'll take the 770 over those two).

Edit: Just thought over it. Might as well go for the $94.99 MSi 7770.

Finished: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/oEn5

$869.97

I could get the Z77A-GD55 w/ the G.Skills instead but that's a bit more than what I have right now.

Also, if you want to have a good idea of what games I intend on playing, just look at my Steam wishlist.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198040448423/wishlist

Just look at the ones mostly on the top.
Edited by HybridCore - 11/21/12 at 1:23pm
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