No, but I use it constantly. heh Some old stuff stays good for a long time.
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I agree our server is an old Abit BP6 with a pair of 533 Celerons ( running Peanut Linux which has not been around for years ) unlike windows - no annual reinstalls !Some old stuff stays good for a long time.
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inb4 new cpu's work on 890FX boards.
inb4 new cpu's work on 890FX boards.
They could easily, it's all HTT to talk with, how else did ASRock make a 790GX Socket 939 board?
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This isn't how I remember it. The Pentium Pro was much faster at 32-bit code than the Pentium was, which you appear to agree on. The difference I have to say though is that the Pentium II was a major redesign instead of being virtually a Pentium. If anything, the Pentium and Pentium MMX belong to one family and the Pentium Pro and Pentium II belong to another. The Pentium II was essentially a cut down (ie cheaper to produce) Pentium Pro.
It's ancient history and largely unimportant by this point, but I happen to still be a Pentium Pro user.
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the Pentium Pro was a normal Pentium albeit a lot faster at 32bit applications (Really a niche back then), but it couldn't hold a candle to the MMX at the same clock speed for the majority of programs back then
the Pentium Pro was a normal Pentium albeit a lot faster at 32bit applications (Really a niche back then), but it couldn't hold a candle to the MMX at the same clock speed for the majority of programs back then
This isn't how I remember it. The Pentium Pro was much faster at 32-bit code than the Pentium was, which you appear to agree on. The difference I have to say though is that the Pentium II was a major redesign instead of being virtually a Pentium. If anything, the Pentium and Pentium MMX belong to one family and the Pentium Pro and Pentium II belong to another. The Pentium II was essentially a cut down (ie cheaper to produce) Pentium Pro.
It's ancient history and largely unimportant by this point, but I happen to still be a Pentium Pro user.
I don't see where I said anything different? P5 was the Pentium and Pentium MMX which was tweaked into the P6/Pentium Pro, which got cut down into the P2..and then rebranded into the first PIII which eventually got refined with SSE instructions among other things to actually be worthy of the PIII name.
If you meant the "Was a normal Pentium" part, I meant in performance and probably should have specified.
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Are you typing this on your sig rig or what?
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This isn't how I remember it. The Pentium Pro was much faster at 32-bit code than the Pentium was, which you appear to agree on. The difference I have to say though is that the Pentium II was a major redesign instead of being virtually a Pentium. If anything, the Pentium and Pentium MMX belong to one family and the Pentium Pro and Pentium II belong to another. The Pentium II was essentially a cut down (ie cheaper to produce) Pentium Pro.
It's ancient history and largely unimportant by this point, but I happen to still be a Pentium Pro user.
This isn't how I remember it. The Pentium Pro was much faster at 32-bit code than the Pentium was, which you appear to agree on. The difference I have to say though is that the Pentium II was a major redesign instead of being virtually a Pentium. If anything, the Pentium and Pentium MMX belong to one family and the Pentium Pro and Pentium II belong to another. The Pentium II was essentially a cut down (ie cheaper to produce) Pentium Pro.
It's ancient history and largely unimportant by this point, but I happen to still be a Pentium Pro user.
Are you typing this on your sig rig or what?
On a *nix OS, dual CPUs even at 200Mhz can be surprisingly usable as long as you have the HDD speed to back them up.
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Anyone who thinks Linux will go mainstream without proper support is kidding themselves.
Anyone who thinks Linux will go mainstream without proper support is kidding themselves.
Who's to say that stuff like Steam for Linux isn't the start of support for Linux? It's technically better and cheaper, which means that once it get support and advertising it's only application compatibility that would hold it back...
Android has more than proved this, I think.
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If you meant the "Was a normal Pentium" part, I meant in performance and probably should have specified.
If you meant the "Was a normal Pentium" part, I meant in performance and probably should have specified.
Yes, this was the part I took issue with. Your original statement made it seem as if you considered the Pentium and Pentium Pro to be essentially the same design when I felt strongly that it belonged not with the Pentium family but rather the Pentium II family. It seems we're actually in agreement in the end.
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Yes, this was the part I took issue with. Your original statement made it seem as if you considered the Pentium and Pentium Pro to be essentially the same design when I felt strongly that it belonged not with the Pentium family but rather the Pentium II family. It seems we're actually in agreement in the end.
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If you meant the "Was a normal Pentium" part, I meant in performance and probably should have specified.
If you meant the "Was a normal Pentium" part, I meant in performance and probably should have specified.
Yes, this was the part I took issue with. Your original statement made it seem as if you considered the Pentium and Pentium Pro to be essentially the same design when I felt strongly that it belonged not with the Pentium family but rather the Pentium II family. It seems we're actually in agreement in the end.
Yeah, I really enjoy reading up on older hardware and tend to know quite a bit about it; I should have worded it better.
It is interesting to see the same things happen time and time again throughout the industry though.
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I still can't view the video is it appearing as private for anyone else?
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I still can't view the video is it appearing as private for anyone else?
I still can't view the video is it appearing as private for anyone else?
The same. Either the wife got jelly, or the boyfriend.
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As I mentioned earlier, disabling an integer execution unit results in an 18% increase in single threaded performance. With that additional integer execution unit enabled, the decode unit becomes stretched too thin. A 4 wide decode is not enough to handle the floating point unit and two integer execution units. The move to two decode units (likely two 3-wide units, for a total of 6) will be the biggest improvement in performance that Steamroller brings (according to AnandTech).
So instead of the, what, 40%(?) lead that Intel has, it'd probably be around 20-25%.
Then you throw in the larger instruction cache, µop cache and branch target buffer increase, and that gap practically disappears. Steamroller is going to be huge.
It was my metaphor for AMD's decision to have two execution units for every floating point unit.
As I mentioned earlier, disabling an integer execution unit results in an 18% increase in single threaded performance. With that additional integer execution unit enabled, the decode unit becomes stretched too thin. A 4 wide decode is not enough to handle the floating point unit and two integer execution units. The move to two decode units (likely two 3-wide units, for a total of 6) will be the biggest improvement in performance that Steamroller brings (according to AnandTech).
So instead of the, what, 40%(?) lead that Intel has, it'd probably be around 20-25%.
Then you throw in the larger instruction cache, µop cache and branch target buffer increase, and that gap practically disappears. Steamroller is going to be huge.
It was my metaphor for AMD's decision to have two execution units for every floating point unit.
I fully agree with you on the gains from the new decode units. To be perfectly honest the die shrink AMD should be planning should allow two full (and improved hopefully) decode units so 4+4 isn't out of the question. This should bring one bottleneck of the bulldozer/pile-driver architecture out.
However, I honestly down the larger instruction cache would add more than a 5% performance increase on a good day in some programs :\.
Furthermore AMD (APPARENTLY) isn't fixing their cache latency issues...
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Steamroller brings no significant reduction in L2/L3 cache latencies. According to AMD, they’ve isolated the reason for the unusually high L3 latency in the Bulldozer architecture, however fixing it isn’t a top priority. Given that most consumers (read: notebooks) will only see L3-less processors (e.g. Llano, Trinity), and many server workloads are less sensitive to latency, AMD’s stance makes sense.
It'll be a really nice improvement, and they are catching up nicely, but Intel will have Haswell released by then which, although we have no concrete information apart from the IDF tidbits, has roughly a 70% efficiency improvement (compared to ivy bridge) which is huge for the ultrabook mobile segment but nothing about the desktop platform cpu's have been released so I doubt the desktop improvements (IPS) scale as-well as the lower end power parts.
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