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Yes, most of the low asics cards i seen was exactly gigabyte. But afterall i like the card a lot because it is very cool and silent. With voltage increased to 1.2V the max gpu temperature was around 64-65 degrees, and max VRM - around 70 - 73 degrees... So i don't think WF3 is a bad card.
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I'd rather have low ASICS and low temps instead of low volts and high temps. What good is low volts if the temps are too dang high!
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I'm really surprised to see people saying they won't be buying Gigabyte cards again/recommending to stay away from Gigabyte cards because there seems to be a trend that their cards are shipping with a low ASIC. ASIC quality isn't the quintessential factor of a gpus overclocking ability, it is meant to be taken with a grain of salt. I would prefer a higher ASIC card just because, but I wouldn't really care if I got one with a low ASIC, and I certainly wouldn't "blacklist" a manufacturer because of it.
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I'd rather have low ASICS and low temps instead of low volts and high temps. What good is low volts if the temps are too dang high!

And I prefer high ASIC with low voltage and low temp.
The low ASIC, high voltage with always have higher temps and power consumption than a high ASIC chip on the same cooler.
Also a chip with high ASIC on a Windforce cooler say require only 1100mV to reach 1100/1575, the VRM temps and noise will be significantly better than a garbage one that require 1300mV to just stabilize at 1100/1575.
The only time low ASIC is good is for watercoolers and professional overclockers. otherwise a chip with high ASIC is better in everything else.
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I'm really surprised to see people saying they won't be buying Gigabyte cards again/recommending to stay away from Gigabyte cards because there seems to be a trend that their cards are shipping with a low ASIC. ASIC quality isn't the quintessential factor of a gpus overclocking ability, it is meant to be taken with a grain of salt. I would prefer a higher ASIC card just because, but I wouldn't really care if I got one with a low ASIC, and I certainly wouldn't "blacklist" a manufacturer because of it.

I have to disagree. There are very few exceptional situations where a low ASIC chip clock well.
In my experience with those cards.

EVGA GTX 470 has 67.1% ASIC, was a dud.
EVGA GTX 670 FTW has 88.7% ASIC and was an awesome overclocker, getting 1360 @ 1200mV.
Gigabyte HD 7950 has 58.9% ASIC and is a bit of a dud.
Sapphire HD 7950 (not mine) has 71% ASIC and overclock better my GB 7950 WF3, at 1200mV it can do 1200-1220 MHz. Mine can only do 1100 MHz at 1200mV, 1200 on my chip require 1300mV.
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I don't think people know what ASIC quality is. I don't know either, but at least I don't pretend Gigabyte cards are bad because they have low ASIC, cmon! Low ASIC cards have a higher default voltage, that's it. I had a XFX HD7850 which had 80+% ASIC on it, stock voltage was very low. Now when it came to overclock, it sucked bigtime (couldn't even reach 1.1GHz). Now I have this HD7950 with 58.6%, able to reach 1.18GHz (100% stable) with 1.25V, which is pretty decent.
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post #236 of 1324
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I don't think people know what ASIC quality is. I don't know either, but at least I don't pretend Gigabyte cards are bad because they have low ASIC,

If you direct this at me. I didn't say GB cards are bad. But I said I would avoid buying their cards next time, because the chances of getting duds are higher than other brands biggrin.gif .
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post #237 of 1324
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And I prefer high ASIC with low voltage and low temp.
The low ASIC, high voltage with always have higher temps and power consumption than a high ASIC chip on the same cooler.
Also a chip with high ASIC on a Windforce cooler say require only 1100mV to reach 1100/1575, the VRM temps and noise will be significantly better than a garbage one that require 1300mV to just stabilize at 1100/1575.
The only time low ASIC is good is for watercoolers and professional overclockers. otherwise a chip with high ASIC is better in everything else.
I have to disagree. There are very few exceptional situations where a low ASIC chip clock well.
In my experience with those cards.

EVGA GTX 470 has 67.1% ASIC, was a dud.
EVGA GTX 670 FTW has 88.7% ASIC and was an awesome overclocker, getting 1360 @ 1200mV.
Gigabyte HD 7950 has 58.9% ASIC and is a bit of a dud.
Sapphire HD 7950 (not mine) has 71% ASIC and overclock better my GB 7950 WF3, at 1200mV it can do 1200-1220 MHz. Mine can only do 1100 MHz at 1200mV, 1200 on my chip require 1300mV.
My point was that it only seems like most GB cards are low ASIC, unless it was well documented, you can't have an accurate estimate of the median ASIC for their cards. Not only that, but it wouldn't necessarily carry over to the next generation of cards. Plus the fact that even if ASIC is correct 100% of the time, you're most likely only missing out on small clock speed increases, where the performance difference will be minimal. I just don't get completely writing off a manufacturer because of it, I guess we can agree to disagree. redface.gif

Also, I can't figure out your use of, "dud". Do you mean that it isn't the norm? At first glance I would think a card described as a dud meant it was DOA.
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Also, I can't figure out your use of, "dud". Do you mean that it isn't the norm? At first glance I would think a card described as a dud meant it was DOA.

Dud = A chip can't overclock well.
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My point was that it only seems like most GB cards are low ASIC, unless it was well documented, you can't have an accurate estimate of the median ASIC for their cards.
No I don't but If you surf this thread you will see most people have a very low ASIC cards or if they don't mention their ASIC quality, you will know their cards are not too good.
Some of us here require well over 1200mV just to stabilize the card at CCC limits.

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Plus the fact that even if ASIC is correct 100% of the time, you're most likely only missing out on small clock speed increases, where the performance difference will be minimal. I just don't get completely writing off a manufacturer because of it,

I know the performance will be minimal, but here in OCN it is about "the pursuit of performance" so even small increases come in handy some times thumb.gif especially in benchmarking.
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I guess we can agree to disagree. redface.gif

Yup. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion smile.gif .
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I have to disagree. There are very few exceptional situations where a low ASIC chip clock well.
In my experience with those cards.

EVGA GTX 470 has 67.1% ASIC, was a dud.
EVGA GTX 670 FTW has 88.7% ASIC and was an awesome overclocker, getting 1360 @ 1200mV.
Gigabyte HD 7950 has 58.9% ASIC and is a bit of a dud.
Sapphire HD 7950 (not mine) has 71% ASIC and overclock better my GB 7950 WF3, at 1200mV it can do 1200-1220 MHz. Mine can only do 1100 MHz at 1200mV, 1200 on my chip require 1300mV.


May ask you to tell me what was the max clock you've ever reach with the GB 7950 (58.9% asics) and on what voltage? I'n asking because my asics is almost the same - 58.4%, and i want to compare the two cards.
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May ask you to tell me what was the max clock you've ever reach with the GB 7950 (58.9% asics) and on what voltage? I'n asking because my asics is almost the same - 58.4%, and i want to compare the two cards.
To hit the CCC limits it require 1218mV . At 1300mV I can bench just fine at 1215/1675.
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