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Hello all. First time on this forum. Need some opinions/advice concerning my PC gaming rig (system specs below). Thought this would be a good place to ask. Here's my question: I've been a PC gamer for most of my life, rarely have I owned a console. I felt like I was missing out on some good console exclusives so I bought a PS3 and some of the higher rated games at a very reasonable price two weeks ago. The first game I fired up on the PS3 was Metal Gear Solid 4 GotP.

The game was ok but I wasn't really impressed (especially by the graphics which I found kind of dull) considering IGN gave the game a 10 across the board. So I finished that game and then started playing Uncharted 1. I definitely noticed some nicer, brighter graphics in Uncharted 1, but nothing that really outshined my PC graphics wise. After I finished Uncharted I went right on to Uncharted 2. Here's where I was really impressed.


The graphics in this game are beautiful and stunning. I was especially impressed once I got to that Tibetan town on the mountain after the train wreck. I took my time walking around the village and was absolutely stunned by the environment, such deep, rich colors and detail. Also, the PS3 seems to process and render all of this without a hiccup, I didn't notice any lag or drop in frame rate. This is when I started to think "This looks better than my PC, and runs it more smoothly (for lack of a better word.) " I'm no expert on graphics technology. I'm A+ certified so I'm pretty tech literate but never really dig into the finer, more detailed technology in gaming graphics. I just do some minimal research, buy a GPU that looks mid-range, plug my card in and play. I've played Crysis 2, Battlefield 3, Skyrim, Sleeping Dogs, Ghost Recon FS, Assassins Creed series, and just about every other new game that comes out on the PC. I usually have my graphics set to High or Ultra, running at 1920x1080p, with all the other bells and whistles turned on. These games all looked pretty good to me, I thought Ghost Recon FS was a little lacking in the graphics though. I think I will play that on the PS3 to compare it with my PC.

Most games run well on my PC but I do notice some of that lag I was talking about with certain games (Sleeping Dogs for example is more noticeable). It's not that bad but I can tell my games "hiccup" a bit more with some games. Sometimes I tune it down a notch to get better performance, find a sweet spot, and that seems to help a little. But I cant help but to think that Uncharted 2 not only looks better than anything I run on my PC, but it runs it better as well. I think maybe my PC is aging and something is bottle-necking it. I will admit some of my components are on the old side. I'm running a Intel Q6600 quad-core, 6GB Patriot PC2 6400, ASUS P5K-E motherboard, 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive , and a few months ago I added a EVGA GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 video card., running Windows 7 Pro.


One thing I want to point out is that my motherboard only supports PCI-E 1.0. I wanted to upgrade my video performance but didn't want to buy a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM. I did some research about plugging a 2.0 card into a 1.0 slot. At the time people were saying that games don't even utilize the full 2.0 specs. so I shouldn't have any performance issues. This was probably 18 months ago. Have things changed since then? Is my video card bottle-necked now do to having it plugged into a 1.0 slot or is something else degrading my PC performance? Also, I am playing games from the PC and PS3 through the same ASUS 24" LCD 1080p monitor. I'm kind of guessing that my PC is showing it's age. I just thought that a quad-core CPU, 6GB RAM, and a GTX 560 would be sufficient even today considering the PS3 hardware seems less powerful than my PC (except my CPU.


I'm guessing the Cell CPU is probably better). I know consoles handle resources differently but I'm no expert on that subject either. Sorry if my post was long winded and lacking better terminology. Just wanted to give as much information as possible regarding my observation and what I'm trying to ask. So basically I'm just asking is: Is it time to retire my CPU, motherboard, and RAM? If so what would be the minimum components required to build a new system that can compete/be on the same level, gaming performance wise with modern consoles? Thank you for reading this and I appreciate any helpful feedback you can offer.


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Intel Q6600 quad-core
6GB Patriot PC2 6400
ASUS P5K-E motherboard
7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive
EVGA GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 video card.
ASUS VW246H 24" LCD 1080p monitor
Windows 7 Pro
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Not going to try to read through that, but I can say that the PS3 has powerful graphics capabilities. Also, a lot of games that you might be playing are probably ports from a console, so they will look the same for the most part.

You also have to think that the PS3 is mostly just processing graphics with a minimal OS. Where as your PC has to run Windows, and play games. There will be differences there as well.
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Windows 7 Pro

I would say yes to retiring the Mobo/Cpu, yes it should be fine for today, but it's rapidly growing obsolete, I notice lag on my PhII. Lumis is right though, most console ports will look the same on your level of hardware. also at 1080p unless you have Some kind of AA, it won't look as smooth
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There is no denying that Uncharted is a pretty game but its more a case of having excellent art then it is of having good graphics fidelity if you get what I'm saying.

Then lets talk about smoothness. This is very subjective as a lot of PC gamers can't stand the 30FPS of consoles and perceive it as constant lag. The reason that consoles may feel smoother to some people depends on two things. First the FPS is a near constant 30. Second is the input method. The mouse on PC's is a much more precise and direct input method so noticing small hiccups is much easier. If the games don't feel smooth then you are running the settings to high. Running constant vsynced 60FPS is much smoother then consoles.

Your machine is not the fastest cat on the block but should be able to play games pretty well none the less (way better then your PS3). If you want a more console like experience with a PC then that's easy. Drop your resolution down to 1280 x 720. Enjoy smooth 60FPS with everything pushed to the max. To enhance the console like feel even further get game pad and there you go better then console console gaming.
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An overclock on the Q6600+new gfx card(or used 580) will breath new life into games at 1080p w/ 60+FPS.
 
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There is no denying that Uncharted is a pretty game but its more a case of having excellent art then it is of having good graphics fidelity if you get what I'm saying.
Then lets talk about smoothness. This is very subjective as a lot of PC gamers can't stand the 30FPS of consoles and perceive it as constant lag. The reason that consoles may feel smoother to some people depends on two things. First the FPS is a near constant 30. Second is the input method. The mouse on PC's is a much more precise and direct input method so noticing small hiccups is much easier. If the games don't feel smooth then you are running the settings to high. Running constant vsynced 60FPS is much smoother then consoles.
Your machine is not the fastest cat on the block but should be able to play games pretty well none the less (way better then your PS3). If you want a more console like experience with a PC then that's easy. Drop your resolution down to 1280 x 720. Enjoy smooth 60FPS with everything pushed to the max. To enhance the console like feel even further get game pad and there you go better then console console gaming.

Thanks. Very helpful response. Really appreciate it. So you don't think the PCI-E 2.0 card in a 1.0 slot could be causing any performance loss?

Yeah, I never drop my resolution, guess I'll give that a try. I guess I thought that if I dropped the res it wouldn't look as good. I'm really not looking for a more "console like experience". I prefer a keyboard and mouse over a controller. One of the reasons I've avoided consoles for the most part. I have a 360 controller that I use for racing games (Shift 2) and it worked nice for Assassins Creed, but for the most part I cant stand a controller, not enough precision. I'm actually thinking about getting a KB&Mouse adapter for the PS3. Do you know if these adapters are any good or could recommend one?
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I would say yes to retiring the Mobo/Cpu, yes it should be fine for today, but it's rapidly growing obsolete, I notice lag on my PhII. Lumis is right though, most console ports will look the same on your level of hardware. also at 1080p unless you have Some kind of AA, it won't look as smooth

OMG. I think I just fell in love. You're ridiculously cute and you're a nerd (I hope that profile pic is you and you're not some dude). Love the ink thumb.gif Want to move to Pennsylvania? I'll let you use my NewEgg account ;-) But anyway, thank you. I'm looking to upgrade in a few months. Just trying to figure out if my current system is still sufficient for today's PC games.
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Thanks. Very helpful response. Really appreciate it. So you don't think the PCI-E 2.0 card in a 1.0 slot could be causing any performance loss?
Yeah, I never drop my resolution, guess I'll give that a try. I guess I thought that if I dropped the res it wouldn't look as good. I'm really not looking for a more "console like experience". I prefer a keyboard and mouse over a controller. One of the reasons I've avoided consoles for the most part. I have a 360 controller that I use for racing games (Shift 2) and it worked nice for Assassins Creed, but for the most part I cant stand a controller, not enough precision. I'm actually thinking about getting a KB&Mouse adapter for the PS3. Do you know if these adapters are any good or could recommend one?

Nah you need something much faster then a 560 to be limited by PCI-E 1.0 x16. Dropping the resolution will make the games look worse. I mean of course it will its a lower resolution. But its the same way consoles are able to show all the eye candy they do. They to run at 720p or even lower. Resolution is the single most power hungry thing in any game. Most PC gamers will not give up the sharpens of 1080p unless they absolutely have to but perhaps you are in the minority that actually prefer to turn down the resolution instead of the other detail.
    
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I would say yes to retiring the Mobo/Cpu, yes it should be fine for today, but it's rapidly growing obsolete, I notice lag on my PhII. Lumis is right though, most console ports will look the same on your level of hardware. also at 1080p unless you have Some kind of AA, it won't look as smooth

OMG. I think I just fell in love. You're ridiculously cute and you're a nerd (I hope that profile pic is you and you're not some dude). Love the ink thumb.gif Want to move to Pennsylvania? I'll let you use my NewEgg account ;-) But anyway, thank you. I'm looking to upgrade in a few months. Just trying to figure out if my current system is still sufficient for today's PC games.

that isn't me LOL, Look up Carah Faye,

anyway, yeah it should be sufficient, but not for too much longer, and upgrading is always fun
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I have my G0 Q6600 clocked at 3.7, running 3x1gb ram (1 bring some OCZ flex crap...) so I can't OC any higher. With my 580 I'm really noticing the age of the CPU. Borderlands 2 can not be maxed with playable FPS, aside from that every other game plays fine. Although not the FPS one would expect from a 580, at least its playable on all high. What I mean is FPS doesn't go over 100 all that much, doesn't dip below 30 much either (unless BF3 lots of things going on)



Save up, invest in a new platform. Q6600 was the 2500k of its day. Time to move on!
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