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Alright, Now Im sure most of you are gonna think Im going at least slightly overboard, But this is my ultimate computer build. Ive been planning it for a while, and hopefully I can start getting the parts finally.

First off Ill tell you the parts I plan on buying. So you can have a better idea.

Silverstone Temjin TJ11 - 586.00
http://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Computer-Aluminum-Unibody-TJ11-BW/dp/B004MKNNGM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349682190&sr=8-1&keywords=temjin+tj11

Asus Rampage IV Extreme - 430.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131802

CORSAIR Dominator Platinum 16GB (4 x 4GB)- 239.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233339

Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E - 570.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116492

Windows 7 OS - 90.00
Newegg. No need for a link.

Asus Blue ray dvd burner - 90.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135252

Seagate 1tb HDD - 100.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697

Asus 27 inch monitor (Debatable not sure yet)

Crucial M4 64 GB SSD for OS - 73.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441

Wireless module - 35.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704133

Two EVGA classified GTX 680 Hydro copper GPU'S - 1600.00
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=04G-P4-3689-KR

Fans (For replacement of top case fan, and radiator)
Scythe Gentle Typhoon 120mm x5- 107.00
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=30012:9fac28deaaa282ca951286b31f82e647

Green monsoon fittings - 1/2 ID - 3/4 OD (6 pack X5) - 195.00
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=33957

Monsoon 90 degree fittings Black X2 - 40.00
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=35533:538614b142497f21d0b680685c219bca

Silverstone card reader - 33.00
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=33703

5.25 to 3.5 bay converter for card reader - 5.00
No link needed.

Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper 480mm -120.00
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=32768

Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 Full Copper 120mm - 33.00
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=33850

Kill coil - 7.00
no link needed

Swiftech apogee HD waterblock , Black - 70.00
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=32578

Corsair Professional Series Gold AX1200 Power Supply -289.00
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=28859

Swiftech Malestrom reservoir Dual pumps- 280.00
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=35471:c579d0a7403ac159ef565303174c9d18

Swiftech dual pump heatsink - 28.00
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=34381

80mm fan for pump heatsink - 16.00
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=22908:7e56f2d03ba63e6ef22ef9ea36b3cc5c

Primoflex UV green tubing, 1/2 ID / 3/4 OD X 25 feet = 56.00
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=23369


XspC mobo blocks - 124.00
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p13055_XSPC-X79-Rampage-IV-WaterBlock-Set.html

The rest is aquacomputer parts - (Dont we have a aquatuning or aquacomputer rep here?

flow sensor - 47.00
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=32963

Aquadrive x4 - 160.45
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p3398_Aquacomputer-Aquadrive-X4-copper-Edition-HDD-cooler.html

Aquadrive black faceplate -15.00
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p4124_Aquacomputer-Aquadrive-X4-faceplate-incl--engraving-black.html

aquaero 5 XT - 197.00
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p13419_Aquacomputer-aquaero-5-XT-USB-Fan-Controller--Grafik-LCD--Touch-Bedienung--IR-Fernbedienung.html

Black faceplate for aquearo xt - 12.22
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p11313_Aquacomputer-faceplate-for-aquaero-5-XT-Aluminium-black.html

Pressure sensor 1000 - 46.81
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p13771_Aquacomputer-pressure-sensor-mps-pressure-1000.html

Waterblock for aquaero 5 - 25.00
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p11307_Aquacomputer-waterblock-for-aquaero-5--G1-4.html

And a handfull of necessary cables to hook up the aquaero and externals, not sure what i need. I may also add RGB strips later. I THINK I got everything.


And there we go, Im debating doing sleeving too, just because I love the modding concept, I have a General Concept of routing for tubing, and I can upload a fair paint image if necessary. last time I calculated it, Its pushing about 6000. COMPLETE overkill, I know. But Im ok with that. Haha.

My concern, is that that one pump may not be able to push through it all. So far I have this setup in mind.
Res -> Pump -> Black ice rad -> Cpu block -> Right side mobo block -> Small rad -> Left side mobo block -> Gpu 1 -> GPU 2 -> Aquaero 5 block -> HDD cooler -> res

So thats a LOT of restriction I would think. Im not sure It can handle that, and I dont wanna ruin the pump trying. I would be willing to get two of them if absolutely necessary..


Any thoughts on this? inputs?
Edited by solidshark91493 - 10/18/12 at 10:48am
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Yup here's mine:

-Fans aren't the greatest for radiators. They are great for intake fans to push air into the case, but very mediocre rad fans. Gentle Typhoons, noise blocker, Noctua come to mind. Don't skimp on the fans or you'll regret it. EDIT: don't look for CFM when shopping rad fans, look for static pressure (mmH2O). The higher the number the better for rads.

-Maelstrom res but no pump, and instead a enheim pump? If you put two mcp355 or mcp35x into that bay res you'd be covered for pressure and flow. it would also help you clean up the case by having everything in one solid bundle. You can't plug them into the aquero (or maybe you can I don't know) but you'd still be able to control them via the PWM signal (same as your CPU fan).

-There are better blocks for the same price, but if you're going for the aesthetics then it's all good. Most blocks won't offer more than a 1 to 2 c difference anyhow.

-The case. At that price point you could afford a Caselabs or a Little Devil. Cases made by those companies that might fair much better for liquid cooling. Caselabs is also home grown right here on OCN. EDIT: again, if you already knew about the cases I suggested and chose that one because it pleases you, then by all means it's the right case for you. If you didn't know about the companies I suggested, go take a quick peak; you won't regret it! thumb.gif

-Radiators are ok, but there is better also. an Alphacool UT60 will destroy the SR-1 for less. Even the XSPC rads will do good for a fraction of the cost the black ice rads go for. Most expensive isn't always the best. wink.gif

EDIT: SSD is a little small. I'd personally get a little more space, when you taste the speed you'll want more things to run on it (ie: games). Maybe a 128Gb M4? A little personal experience: Bought my very first SSD, Samsung 120GB Sata II in my laptop and loved it. Thought it was filling up to fast so I got a Corsair 240Gb Sata II and I was in awe. I now own two muskin 240GB in raid 0 and I'm satisfied. Next step is a revo drive. redface.gif
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Yup here's mine:
-Fans aren't the greatest for radiators. They are great for intake fans to push air into the case, but very mediocre rad fans. Gentle Typhoons, noise blocker, Noctua come to mind. Don't skimp on the fans or you'll regret it. EDIT: don't look for CFM when shopping rad fans, look for static pressure (mmH2O). The higher the number the better for rads.
-Maelstrom res but no pump, and instead a enheim pump? If you put two mcp355 or mcp35x into that bay res you'd be covered for pressure and flow. it would also help you clean up the case by having everything in one solid bundle. You can't plug them into the aquero (or maybe you can I don't know) but you'd still be able to control them via the PWM signal (same as your CPU fan).
-There are better blocks for the same price, but if you're going for the aesthetics then it's all good. Most blocks won't offer more than a 1 to 2 c difference anyhow.
-The case. At that price point you could afford a Caselabs or a Little Devil. Cases made by those companies that might fair much better for liquid cooling. Caselabs is also home grown right here on OCN. EDIT: again, if you already knew about the cases I suggested and chose that one because it pleases you, then by all means it's the right case for you. If you didn't know about the companies I suggested, go take a quick peak; you won't regret it! thumb.gif
-Radiators are ok, but there is better also. an Alphacool UT60 will destroy the SR-1 for less. Even the XSPC rads will do good for a fraction of the cost the black ice rads go for. Most expensive isn't always the best. wink.gif
EDIT: SSD is a little small. I'd personally get a little more space, when you taste the speed you'll want more things to run on it (ie: games). Maybe a 128Gb M4? A little personal experience: Bought my very first SSD, Samsung 120GB Sata II in my laptop and loved it. Thought it was filling up to fast so I got a Corsair 240Gb Sata II and I was in awe. I now own two muskin 240GB in raid 0 and I'm satisfied. Next step is a revo drive. redface.gif


Alright awesome. This is what I was looking for.

Maybe Ill change the fans. Theyre pretty expensive anyhow. I might change the pump. I just like that pump. But maybe it'll be easier with the pumps attached to the res, It will give me more room too.

What does everyone have against this case? lol whenever I say Im getting it everyone seems to be against it.. I know its rediculous expensive. I just want it. Because I like the look of it. tongue.gif haha

I know theres a couple blocks better than that, Im thinking maybe a xspc raystorm?

And I just like the black ice, Its got a nice finish, and Ive read they perform well. If theres something better that will still fit in the same basic area Id go for that, especially if it's cheaper.

And yeah Might upgrade the SSD to a bigger one, I was just thinking OS, But might want to store all programs and games on it too. So might get a big one, or maybe two?
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Alright awesome. This is what I was looking for.
Maybe Ill change the fans. Theyre pretty expensive anyhow. I might change the pump. I just like that pump. But maybe it'll be easier with the pumps attached to the res, It will give me more room too.
What does everyone have against this case? lol whenever I say Im getting it everyone seems to be against it.. I know its rediculous expensive. I just want it. Because I like the look of it. tongue.gif haha
I know theres a couple blocks better than that, Im thinking maybe a xspc raystorm?
And I just like the black ice, Its got a nice finish, and Ive read they perform well. If theres something better that will still fit in the same basic area Id go for that, especially if it's cheaper.
And yeah Might upgrade the SSD to a bigger one, I was just thinking OS, But might want to store all programs and games on it too. So might get a big one, or maybe two?

Most enthusiasts are against the TJ11 for the cost vs function/features it has in comparison with other cases.

Take an STH10 for example. Almost the same price, but you can mount four 480 rads (five with the extended top), slide out mobo tray, plethora of 5.25, rear mounted hdd's and ssd's, great cable management, hinged side panels, 100% aluminium construction and more customization options than any other case on the market. These are all things the TJ11 doesn't have.

Again, if that is the case that floats your boat then by all means get it and make something nice out of it. But do take the time to look at other "high-end enthusiast" cases like Caselabs, Little Devil or even MM or DD.

Black ice aren't restrictive rads so they are pretty good. But an alphacool UT60 will absolutely destroy (not an understatment) an SR-1 from start to finish in the RPM range for about 20$ less (or more).

Martin's review of the UT60
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Most enthusiasts are against the TJ11 for the cost vs function/features it has in comparison with other cases.
Take an STH10 for example. Almost the same price, but you can mount four 480 rads (five with the extended top), slide out mobo tray, plethora of 5.25, rear mounted hdd's and ssd's, great cable management, hinged side panels, 100% aluminium construction and more customization options than any other case on the market. These are all things the TJ11 doesn't have.
Again, if that is the case that floats your boat then by all means get it and make something nice out of it. But do take the time to look at other "high-end enthusiast" cases like Caselabs, Little Devil or even MM or DD.
Black ice aren't restrictive rads so they are pretty good. But an alphacool UT60 will absolutely destroy (not an understatment) an SR-1 from start to finish in the RPM range for about 20$ less (or more).
Martin's review of the UT60
Ahhhh a martin review. Definately going to read, maybe Ill go with that instead. Any other things in this loop? Like I cant think of anything else, only thing I may have some issues with is the HDD cooler, I know it isnt neccessary, I just want it. lol Again it wont do TOO much , But Aquatuning says they dont have any in stock, same with the pressure sensor, And it says when they may get more, But Im not too sure. Im just hoping I can start getting some of this stuff before it dissapears.. rolleyes.gif
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Any thoughts on fittings. They can cost you and arm and a leg if you really go all out.
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Im getting green monsoon fittings, I really like the look, Gonna be real careful with them too so I dont scuff them up. but yeah so far I need at least 20, So I put 5 six packs in my list, about 200 bucks. Got two 90 degree fittings in there as well, just incase. and I think Ill have a couple extra if needed.

So yeah thats at LEAST one arm haha
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Ohh and that PSU is way overpriced. You could get a revo, AX1200i or seasonic for less with better quality. This is unless you're looking for all the gadgets the NEX1500 comes with.

I suggest reading Jonnyguru's NEX1500 review to see for yourself.

Edit: Not to mention the over wattage. To fully utilize a 1500 you need a quad 680 or tri 580/480.
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Ohh and that PSU is way overpriced. You could get a revo, AX1200i or seasonic for less with better quality. This is unless you're looking for all the gadgets the NEX1500 comes with.
I suggest reading Jonnyguru's NEX1500 review to see for yourself.
Edit: Not to mention the over wattage. To fully utilize a 1500 you need a quad 680 or tri 580/480.
Yeah Ive seen it used and I like it, and Im concerned about how much power Ill need with that motherboard, those massive graphics cards, all 7 fans, the aquaero, the pumps, the hard drives, and anything else. But if you have a link Ill be sure to check out that review as well.
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Yeah Ive seen it used and I like it, and Im concerned about how much power Ill need with that motherboard, those massive graphics cards, all 7 fans, the aquaero, the pumps, the hard drives, and anything else. But if you have a link Ill be sure to check out that review as well.

My guess-timations (take with a grain of salt). Also consider this is running them at ful blast (ie: benching, folding etc.).

680 = 170w + OC; so say about 200w each
3930k = 130w + OC; so say about 200w for a big OC
Pumps = ~25w/each; so 50w for two
Fans = ~5w/each; so about 35w
HDD = ~30w
SSD = 3w
Mobo = ~ 100w + OC; so put it to a safe 175w
Extra guizmos (lighting, card readers etc) = 50w

So with OC and a little exaggeration I sum it up to 950w. Again, that's full load not gaming or browsing etc. So that 1500w is a little overkill (though this is OCN, so). Even if you add an extra 680 a 1200w unit will handle it all. Now if you get two more 680's, then a 1500w might be useful when benching, folding etc.

Edit: Here's the Jonnyguru review of the Nex1500
Edited by Rognin - 10/8/12 at 2:59pm
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