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BACKUP YOUR STUFF!! Got it!! Wow!! This is awesome!!
Almost like a skydiving experience. Stoked to go and jump and learn more until now you're pushing me up to the door and I'm actually looking down at what I'm getting myself into and I kinda wanna just back up, sit down and shut up again. worriedsmiley.gif (maybe tandem jumping would be a good start)
Man... I would have been content to buy a list of parts, put a running machine together and then figure out how to put DVDs on a drive and play them on my TV one at a time!! (shows how small my dreams are).biggrin.gif You're blowin' my mind man!!
Seriously though, that's basically all I wanted to do. I wanted to set up one central machine where I could store all my media and view/play things on basically any device in my house for just myself and my wife (and we'd probably be watching together). One thing at a time. My plans didn't involve friends or family just yet... (or ever at all... until now that you mentioned the possibility).
So I don't think I need the processing power right now.
But on that thought, I looked up your CPU and it got me thinking what I had been thinking all along, but hadn't actually looked into until now.
From the start of this "build a machine" idea, I wanted to go with an AMD processor, but I didn't know what I was looking at (AMD or Intel for that matter). I still don't, to be honest. Intel seemed to at least have a numbering system, so I didn't even look at AMD, just straight to Intel. Now after looking up yours, my original suspicion is confirmed. I thought I had once heard that AMD tends to be cheaper than Intel. Now I see it's true. I do know that the caches function differently. AMD has a group cache for all "x" number of cores, while each core in an Intel CPU has it's own cache, correct?
(that's about how vague my understanding of most things "computers" is)
I had a two week crash course preparing me to pass the 701/702 A+ exams. My knowledge is not in depth. Very much a crash course, pass the test sort of knowledge.
The instructor was very hands on and had us tear apart and reassemble a computer before installing the operating system (XP). I very much have faith in my ability to build my own computer.
But this project has been stepping me into murky waters from the start. I like it, and I want to learn, but I just want to stick with my minuscule "in home" (tandem jump) plans for now.
So nothing big or fancy. (not that I don't appreciate all the info I'm having a blast looking at all that you guys do and I am blown away by the machines you build!! I don't even know what half of them do!!)
I don't mind attempting to set up a RAID 5. I think I can figure that out (maybe definitely with all of your help) . But first, I want to build and turn on a machine.
To do that, I need to learn.
So... Question Time!! (YAY!! I feel like a kid in a candy store... where I'll start at dumb and take several steps back)
1. What kind of processing power do I need to build a machine that can rip, store and play media to multiple devices around my house? (I'll worry about mobile devices outside of the house later)
2. How do I look at CPU specs and know if that is a good CPU or not? (translating all the numbers, what are the key specs to check when shopping for CPUs?)
3. (basically 1 and 2 for motherboards) How do I know what I need from a motherboard, and how do I look at the specs? (what specs to look for?)
4. Perhaps I should bring up PSUs and Memory... maybe next time.
5. For the sake of experimenting... How do you rip DVDs to 720p/1080p, and when you rip them, does it keep the menu and features, or is it just the movie? (I'd like to keep the menu and features if possible)
I'll stop there for now. This has been enough nonsense for you to deal with, and it's late and I should be getting to bed.
I really do appreciate all of your replies. You are extremely helpful and I really enjoy learning from all of you.

I'll try to keep this one shorter, lol.

1.) I would recommend a quad core. No matter if it's Intel or AMD, it will do what you want. The new AMD Trinty CPUs are nice, but Intel vs. AMD is your call. For what you need, you should just look at the number of cores...and the clock speed. FSB, cache, and TDP probably won't mean much to you...so don't worry about them. Also, if you are looking at Intel CPUs...check for HyperThreading. I'd say a quad core with 3.0Ghz or higher...will do you more than fine.

2.) Pretty much answered right above.

3.) Decide Intel or AMD, find your CPU, then find a motherboard of the same socket. For something like a file server...all that really matters is the amount of SATA ports. Most non mITX or mATX boards will have 6 SATA ports, while some have 8. You will want something that uses DDR3 RAM, which is recent...but other than that...nothing specific comes to mind.

4.) Google for a PSU calculator. Put in your CPU, number of hard drives, etc...and it will tell you the minimum needed. A modern CPU/motherboard combo with 8 spindle hard drives...I would say look in the 600w range. As far as RAM...RAM is cheap. Get at least 1600MHz, and get at least 4GB. More RAM never hurts...and it's cheap. I wouldn't bother with 16GB, and I would recommend 8GB (just for future proofing)...but I would say 4GB at the minimum. RAM IS CHEAP.

5.) You will need a CD drive...a Blu-Ray reader if you are ripping Blu-Rays. Nothing fancy is required...but a higher speed means ripping is done faster. I don't rip DVDs myself, so I don't have recent information on this...but I do know there is a plethora of various software out there, that rips DVDs. Google can find you some.
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post #22 of 34
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Awesome!!

Thanks for the help.
I'll go research some more and come back with more questions, I'm sure.

I may post, or just check other threads to see if I can learn more about ripping DVDs.
I've tried several different programs and trials, but it seems like DVDs with certain copyrights need purchased software to rip (or that's how the trials make it seem) I haven't experimented too much with it though. I'll dig more into that process.

Thanks again for all your help. I'll be back. thumb.gif
post #23 of 34
@tycoonbob

The OP doesn't need 1600MHz RAM, even 1333MHz (heck even 1066MHz) will be more than sufficient for this application. But you're right - RAM is cheap, so who cares? biggrin.gif

@OP

PSU. A good quality ~500W will be more than enough. I have 10 drives in my sig. rig, powered by a Corsair HX520. smile.gif

DVD Ripping. Generally there are two stages to DVD ripping. Stage 1 is pull the data straight off the disc. This will result in a directory containing the raw video files and other parts, like this:

Title.iso

or like this:
Code:
Title/
   -->VIDEO_TS/
             --> [.VOB, .IFO, and .BUP files here]

This will preserve all of the menu and navigation structure.

Another version of Stage 1 is to view the DVD in terms of its title structure; the main title is identified by its size, and can be extracted as a full-quality .m2ts MPEG2 file. No menus or navigation will be preserved. Like this:




Stage 2 involves converting the MPEG-2 data to another container format or codec. To do this, you will need to use an application such as VirtualDub or HandBrake. This will allow you to convert the MPEG-2 to another format such as MKV, WMV or AVI, with a different codec such as h.264 or XviD. It will also allow you to upscale the resolution to 720p or 1080p, but I have no idea how well they do this.
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Thanks @parityboy.

@tycoonbob
Over the weekend I was looking into those Trinity APUs you mentioned, and liked what I saw there. Then I started looking into the motherboards and researching those slowed me down (among other projects at home keeping me busy). Trying to look up different mobos and check reviews, but they're really new.

I've been looking at these:

AMD A10-5800K (considered the A8-5600K, but for $20 more, why not)
Gigabyte F2A85X-UP4 (not convinced to get it yet)
Also checked the ASRock FM2A85X, but I think I'd lean a bit more toward the Gigabyte.

As mentioned, been pretty busy. Haven't looked into much else.

The Trinity APUs are so new, it might be worth waiting a bit to see what other options surface.
Then again, I was trying to narrow my search to mobos that are capable of RAID 5. Only problem is, very few of the mobos support RAID 5.
Maybe I should check other boards and just consider expanding the budget for a separate RAID card.
Not too worried about the RAM yet. As you've all said, it's cheap, and I don't mind having a little more than I need.

Any thoughts?
Thanks again
post #25 of 34
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Then again, I was trying to narrow my search to mobos that are capable of RAID 5. Only problem is, very few of the mobos support RAID 5. Maybe I should check other boards and just consider expanding the budget for a separate RAID card. Any thoughts?
Thanks again

Take a look at the discussion going on below on why onboard RAID5 is a bad idea.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1317015/ultra-noob-question
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Take a look at the discussion going on below on why onboard RAID5 is a bad idea.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1317015/ultra-noob-question

Thanks. Appreciate it.
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Take a look at the discussion going on below on why onboard RAID5 is a bad idea.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1317015/ultra-noob-question

Its not quite accurate, 0 or 1 is no problem for software raid, 5 will use some cpu but it will be faster than any cpu on a raid card, ecc ram as cache is great but you can achieve that by using ecc ram or a cache drive nicely in a ZFS array. You can achieve great speeds in a software raid 5 if you have cpu overhead, if you are running wms or something requiring the whole cpu, perfomance will be lower.

I dont have exact numbers of throughoutput and IOPS, it can easily reach Gbit lan speeds check the performance charts of Nases using software raid. From smallbuildernet: a qnap 1079 with an i3 and software raid 5 is doing 290 MB/s write and 324 MB/s read on a 10GEb card. Needing IOPS even on a hardware raid controller with 15k disks in raid 10 or 6 is laughable compared to an SSD unless you need the space too.

I think you are off well, get a case you like, an i3 with hyperthreading, 8gb ram and some disks. I would say you dont have a hardware raid need at all and adding a card if you hit limits (which I doubt) is no biggie.
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As far as RAM...RAM is cheap. Get at least 1600MHz, and get at least 4GB. More RAM never hurts...and it's cheap. I wouldn't bother with 16GB, and I would recommend 8GB (just for future proofing)...but I would say 4GB at the minimum. RAM IS CHEAP.

I started looking into RAM, and I was a little confused.
Is RAM specific to CPU?

I was looking at possibly picking up one of the new AMD Trinity processors and an ASUS motherboard to match, but when I go looking for memory, it seems like most memory is made to support Intel CPUs.
The QVL for the mb I am looking at (F2A85-V PRO) seems extremely limited.

I've been searching for memory matching these criteria: 8GB (2 x 4GB)240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM 1866
Any suggestions on brand?
Would it be better to go with 4 x 2GB?

Thanks
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Okay, I think I just about have it decided.
Here's what I'm looking at getting. (Gladly accepting mobo, memory and HDD recommendations)


--Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case --- $89.99 (Amazon)

--AMD A10-5800K APU 3.8Ghz Processor AD580KWOHJBOX --- $119.99 (Amazon)

--ASUS AMD A85X F2A85-V PRO Motherboard --- $139.99 (Amazon)
OR, I like the following ASRock board unless someone can tell me otherwise.
--ASRock FM2A85X Extreme6 Motherboard --- $99.99 (Newegg) + S&H

--Corsair Vengeance Blue 8 GB (2X4 GB) 1600mHz DDR3 240 Pin --- $37.99 (Amazon)
Not sure if the Corsair is compatible, it's not listed for either board. If memory has to be on the list, the following is on the ASRock list. The ASUS list has only 6 or 7 chips.
--Kingston HyperX 8 GB (2x4 GB Modules) 1600 MHz DDR3 Dual Channel KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX --- $39.99 (Amazon)

--Seasonic 80Plus Power Supply M12II 620 BRONZE --- $89.99 (Amazon)

I'll just do a quick search for a Blu-Ray drive. Not too concerned with this, but I always welcome suggestions.

And I'm looking at starting with 2 x 2TB HDD. With prices pretty close, I wasn't sure if it was better to go with WD Red drives over Green, even though I don't think I'll be using a raid configuration.

Western Digital Green WD20EARX 2 SATA III Intellipower 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM --- $109.99 (Amazon)
Western Digital Red WD20EFRX 2 TB 3.5-Inch Internal Drives --- $126.09 (Amazon)

I had recently picked up a 1 TB WD Caviar Green Drive on clearance in a local store that will no longer stock internal drives. Model # WDBAAY0010HNC-NRSN. Only SATA 3.0 Gb/s
Does anyone recommend that I not use that?

Any suggestions or recommendations? Anything that looks like it won't be compatible?
(oh, I'm looking everything up through Newegg, but I try to order through Amazon because of free shipping to Hawaii)

Thanks everybody. Looking forward to ordering soon.
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Memory doesn't have to be on the list, don't worry about it. Companies are just covering their asses so that the memory manufacturer has to deal with you instead of them in case you have a problem.

Either hard drives are good, just that if you choose the Greens you need to run two utilities called WDIDLE3 and WDTLER to make them reliable for RAID. WDIDLE3 lets you increase the time before the head parks (default is 8 sec, which is ridiculous and wears out the head really fast), and WDTLER lets you enable time-limited error recovery, so that if the drive has some trouble with read/write errors in a RAID setup it doesn't get dropped from the array for being unresponsive for too long. This should be set at 7 sec. If you get the Reds they already did this for you at the factory.

That 1TB drive would be good as your system drive. But you can't use it in the same array with 2TB drives, or you'll be limiting all of them to only 1TB.

For your case, I recommend using an NZXT Tempest 410 instead of the A900. First off, it's cheaper. Second, when you've got a large array and one of the drives fails, if all your HDDs are in cages like they would be in the A900 it becomes a MAJOR pain in the ass to swap it out. With the Tempest you just unclip a front fan and slide out the HDD.
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