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I know a bit of C++, but it's very basic stuff, and really I'd like to start learning from scratch. That said, I don't know if I should go for books or online info, and which books or sites should I use... So can you guys help me out please? smile.gif
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check this dude out!
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFE2CE09D83EE3E28
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check this dude out!
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFE2CE09D83EE3E28

I don't know, I've actually been there and seen some of his videos, and I didn't learn much. All I felt I was doing was copy-pasting his code, and I really need to think and make code for myself if I want to learn something, like exercises and such... Or did I miss something?
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Java is useless.
http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/

Well why do you say that? No offense, I'm just curious, and really I was thinking about that earlier and I really don't want to learn a useless language... But isn't Java used for making Android apps for example?

Still thanks, since I heard, along with Java, that Python is a good beginning language, so it might be a good alternative for me. And you just gave me what seems like a pretty good source of information, so it's a good start. smile.gif
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I don't know, I've actually been there and seen some of his videos, and I didn't learn much. All I felt I was doing was copy-pasting his code, and I really need to think and make code for myself if I want to learn something, like exercises and such... Or did I miss something?
Well why do you say that? No offense, I'm just curious, and really I was thinking about that earlier and I really don't want to learn a useless language... But isn't Java used for making Android apps for example?
Still thanks, since I heard, along with Java, that Python is a good beginning language, so it might be a good alternative for me. And you just gave me what seems like a pretty good source of information, so it's a good start. smile.gif

Java is a bloated language that has very limited uses. It's often used as a beginner language because it's very easy to get started with. It's also convenient that it can run on just about anything including toasters.

Python is far more useful if you actually plan to build things. Zed's guide that I linked is also very good. You can get a great foundation within a month if you follow it. Honestly, if you are starting out, there's not a huge difference between the two... syntax is of course different, but the processes to do anything are similar. Python just has more support from the community.
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Java is a bloated language that has very limited uses. It's often used as a beginner language because it's very easy to get started with. It's also convenient that it can run on just about anything including toasters.
Python is far more useful if you actually plan to build things. Zed's guide that I linked is also very good. You can get a great foundation within a month if you follow it. Honestly, if you are starting out, there's not a huge difference between the two... syntax is of course different, but the processes to do anything are similar. Python just has more support from the community.

I'm sorry but I have to ask, How can these two sentence be in one paragraph?
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Java is a bloated language that has very limited uses

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it can run on just about anything including toasters.
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I disagree with you about java having a limited use. you can basically make anything in java. games, web applications, desktop application, mobile application, even a toasters toasting profile.
    
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I'm sorry but I have to ask, How can these two sentence be in one paragraph?
v
^ biggrin.gif
I disagree with you about java having a limited use. you can basically make anything in java. games, web applications, desktop application, mobile application, even a toasters toasting profile.

Just that I think you'll see limited use for it.

If you plan on doing any programming after this, learning Python is going to be more useful in my opinion. I am not in the industry though, so maybe you'll want to take my advice lightly.
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Just that I think you'll see limited use for it.
If you plan on doing any programming after this, learning Python is going to be more useful in my opinion. I am not in the industry though, so maybe you'll want to take my advice lightly.

I agree. Many things that can be done in Java I can implement much more efficiently using another runtime or language.
Although the language itself is not bloated. It is the runtime implementation on some platforms (Windows implementation comes to mind) that is bloated.
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If you are comfortable with self studying you can go for books, online training site like oracle etc.
If you need real time experiance, interactive conversation and discussion better go for class room java training .
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Java was my first language. I would not recommend it if it's your first "official" language since you've done a little of C++. I would learn Python like other have recommended, much more useful. If you're interested in web development, Ruby would be another great language if you don't like Python. Sticking on topic, you could take a look at http://www.cs.washington.edu/education/courses/cse142/12au/ . I've TAed for this course at my university (UW) and the book that we use is pretty good.

AFAIK, Java is really only useful/relavant with Android development. Java applets are starting to die out. Java for web dev... oh god.
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