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I really don't understand how this thread became such a mess.
1) He wants silent. Easy, Do as I suggested earlier and there will be absolutely no moving parts (and thus no noise noise).
2) He already said he isn't going to be using a video card. That means he isn't gaming. He's looking at low-mid range cpus. Do we really need to be discussing overclocking and heat issues? They're both moot points.
Just pick up your favorite CPU rated for 100 TDP or lower, slap on a passive heatsink. Find the cheapest motherboard supporting the socket from a reputable company (I'd vote for gigabyte asus or asrock) that has all the features you may want. Grab a SSD for your main drive (and a "Green" drive if you need more space for storage), Get either a fully passive PSU or one of Seasonic's newer models with the ability to go passive until reaching high load (300-400w should be more than enough to prevent it from reaching heavy load for a build like this). Slap some cheap samsung RAM in there, dump it all in a well ventilated case, and call it a day. You don't even need to worry over windows, use linux.
If you want to cheap out, do as you suggested originally and just reuse your current stuff. Just replace the mobo, cpu, and ram. Hyper 212 with a low speed fan. It won't be silent but then you already know that. Your call.

He also said his room is a sauna so he wants low heat, and he's also on a small budget. This means an i3 is probably the best choice as it offers decent processing power, a low price, and has a low TDP which means it creates less heat, and also needs a less powerful power supply, which will lower the cost, or instead he could get a lower-wattage one with higher efficiency, which would also help with heat and noise.

For a quiet/cool build, I think a high-quality, efficient power supply is important to the build. As for the CPU cooler I agree a Hyper 212 with a quiet fan like the one I suggested above will do nicely.

In addition, TDP doesn't tell you everything about how hot a CPU gets, it just gives you a general idea. For example a lot of people complain their Ivy Bridge CPUs (77W) run hotter than Sandy Bridge (95W).

The NoFan CPU cooler is pricey, $80-100 from what I saw. The SeaSonic PSUs that have zero-fan-mode at low temps are the SeaSonic X series and Platinum series, those start at around $100. I think both of these would really stretch the price range unless he really cheaps out on the case and motherboard.
Edited by Glenwing - 10/14/12 at 12:46pm
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post #32 of 56
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He also said his room is a sauna so he wants low heat, and he's also on a small budget. This means an i3 is probably the best choice as it offers decent processing power, a low price, and has a low TDP which means it creates less heat, and also needs a less powerful power supply, which will lower the cost, or instead he could get a lower-wattage one with higher efficiency, which would also help with heat and noise.
For a quiet/cool build, I think a high-quality, efficient power supply is important to the build. As for the CPU cooler I agree a Hyper 212 with a quiet fan like the one I suggested above will do nicely.
In addition, TDP doesn't tell you everything about how hot a CPU gets, it just gives you a general idea. For example a lot of people complain their Ivy Bridge CPUs (77W) run hotter than Sandy Bridge (95W).
The NoFan CPU cooler is pricey, $80-100 from what I saw. The SeaSonic PSUs that have zero-fan-mode at low temps are the SeaSonic X series and Platinum series, those start at around $100. I think both of these would really stretch the price range unless he really cheaps out on the case and motherboard.

Heat and temperature are two different things. Ivy produces less heat, despite it's higher temperature.

As such, a cooler designed to dissipate 100w will do just fine for ivy (assuming stock). Also, regardless of the temps on the cpu (or the cooler used), the rig will still put the same heat into the room.

Speaking of the cooler, the nofan is not the only passive option. I merely selected it because it looks awesome. There are plenty of significantly cheaper options that will work fine.

As for picking a less powerful CPU to cut down on heat, that's a pretty moot point. We're talking about a difference of 22w at most between the bottom of the line ivy pentium and the top of the line i7 1155. Even less between the i3 and i7. That's less than a single dim energy-efficient fluorescent lightbulb. A higher efficiency PSU will make more of a difference in heat output than lowering the CPU power, and will do so while also being quieter and delivering cleaner power.

I personally vote for an i7. If hes going to video edit as he says, especially without a GPU, a high-core cpu is absolutely essential. Trust me I'd know. Switching from a 920 to a 980x at the same clocks pretty much cut my encoding time in half.

That may be stretching the budget thin, but it is going to accomplish the OP's goals while other builds in this thread simply will not be quiet nor up to the task of encoding.

$60-120 can be shaved off by using linux rather than windows, which is a fully capable if not superior platform when gaming is not involved. Distros like Ubuntu are easy for anyone used to windows or osx to pick up and are pretty much plug and play. That should make the room necessary for all the components needed for a truly silent and powerful low heat rig.
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despite your good arguments, i7 and budget don't get along very well..
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The NoFan cpu cooler is rated for 100w TDP and is by no means the best passive cooler (I just like it cause it's purdy). There is absolutely no reason your 95w Zosma or 77w i5 couldn't run passively.
And before you go "But but zero, it's designed to have case airflow aiding it" no, no its not. Look at their website if you don't believe me.

The point is budget. Buying a heatsink for a high end CPU when a high end CPU isn't required is ass backwards.

A $10 or $15 heatsink what I have, hence not being able to run passive. a $60-$120 CPU/heatsink combo is budget, not a $200 CPU and a high end heatsink. A Zosma or i5 won't run passively without a high end heatsink, unless you have unrealistic ambient temps.

OCN is filled with a bunch of go go nuts. A car is more than horsepower.

Why not tell him to build a WC loop and go for a six core and socket 2011? It can be passive if you get a big enough radiator rolleyes.gif
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The point is budget. Buying a heatsink for a high end CPU when a high end CPU isn't required is ass backwards.
A $10 or $15 heatsink what I have, hence not being able to run passive. a $60-$120 CPU/heatsink combo is budget, not a $200 CPU and a high end heatsink. A Zosma or i5 won't run passively without a high end heatsink, unless you have unrealistic ambient temps.
OCN is filled with a bunch of go go nuts. A car is more than horsepower.
Why not tell him to build a WC loop and go for a six core and socket 2011? It can be passive if you get a big enough radiator rolleyes.gif

What part of video encoding do you people not understand?
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I think the i3-3220 strikes an OK balance between performance, heat, and price. It's a fair bit more powerful than his Q6700 which is what he asked for, as well as producing low heat and doesn't cost a lot, which is also what he asked for. If we were going for purely low heat/power, I would be pushing for the 3220T.
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I think the i3-3220 strikes an OK balance between performance, heat, and price. It's a fair bit more powerful than his Q6700 which is what he asked for, as well as producing low heat and doesn't cost a lot, which is also what he asked for. If we were going for purely low heat/power, I would be pushing for the 3220T.

 

The thing is, a dual core and a quad core Sandy/Ivy both consume about the same amount of power at idle and when he's encoding/transcoding media the quad will consume more power and run a little hotter, but it'll be able to complete the job much faster and return back to idle sooner. Same thing with T series processors. The T series will consume less power at load, but will remain at load for longer and consume more power overall. You can also undervolt a regular processor and get the same power consumption as a T processor without paying the premium.

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Good point. However there's still budget to consider. I suppose if he went for an i5-3330 it wouldn't stretch it too far.
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Alright, time to revisit this thread. Looks as if it has blown up all out of proportion. Let's go back to basics here.

OP'S STATED REQUIREMENTS
Doesn't put out too much heat (not the same as doesn't get hot).
Doesn't cost an arm/leg.
Minimal noise.

Lian Li PC-Q07B case $80
ASRock H77M-ITX motherboard $100
Core i3-3220 CPU $130
Scythe Ninja 3 heatsink $50
Samsung 8GB RAM $45
Intel 330 120GB SSD $100
Windows 8 64-bit $100
Pico PSU 150XT with brick $80
=$685

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Zero noise (other than any electrical buzzing/whining for those with ears of a dog).
Absolutely lowest power draw from the wall. Pico PSUs are more efficient for low wattage computers than even the typical 80Plus Gold/Platinum ATX PSUs.
Fans draw power and create heat (from PSU) too, so no fans. At all.
Prices are rounded, including shipping.
Motherboard has all features except overclocking, which is anathema to the whole heat/noise thing.
Can upgrade to quad core in future if desired.
SSD is only a suggestion. They go on sale all the time these days, so just look for a non-crappy one for a good price. For example, Crucial M4 128GB seems to go on sale once a week for $80.
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Buka The Earthworm, your location is set to Los Angeles. How far away is Tustin? There's a Micro Center there, and they have AWESOME combo deals on Intel CPUs, specifically the Core i3-3225 for $130 and Core i5-3570K for $190. Buy either of those with any compatible motherboard and get a cool $50 off. For instance you can get the i3 with an ASRock H77M-ITX motherboard for $175+tax. Yes, that's for both CPU and motherboard with the H77 chipset. Link to motherboard. Set your location to Tustin to see if they have any in stock. Crap! Just noticed they jacked the CPU price up $20, probably to offset the combo deal, so combo now $195, unless they pulled that deal too. It comes and goes.

Yup, comes and goes. And it comes again. Latest ad/catalog shows i3-3225 for $129.99, combo with any compatible motherboard for additional $50 off. I checked site, and indeed low prices are back.
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