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Why should one have to dual boot, virtualize, or any form of emulation just to play games?
If games can be cross compatible with every OS out there without much more extra effort or programming, why shouldn't they?
No one is saying games are better on Linux, but why should Linux not get games when the rest of the world does?
And no, I don't HAVE to use a Windows product. Haven't used one personally in quite a number of years. Sorry.

This is false. OpenGL in Linux =/= OGL on other platforms...There are vastly different OGL implementations that simply saying OGL is found on more platforms is a moot point.
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Balmer just described Microsoft as a "devices and services company" if I recall correctly. Or put another way, trying to reinvent itself into being Apple without the cult of personality around the founder which means they are doomed to fail. Valve is doing this because on the horizon is a day when Microsoft can't charge for an OS any longer because it simply wouldn't be competitive with all the linux distros. The computer world is decentralizing, which means Windows is slated to lose it's position of built in dominance and will simply become one of the many. Microsoft only has itself to blame.

I don't agree with anything you said, TBH. If anything, Microsoft will be a amalgamation of Apple & Google's model, providing 3rd party products while itself offering 1st party products of the same caliber; they will compete with themselves and other manufacturers. I cannot see Linux ever taking away users from Windows because its major advantage is also its main disadvantage... There are hundreds of distros of Linux each with varying difficulties of use, whereas there is just one distro of Windows and OSX. OSX has grown over the past few years, not Linux...Linux had it's chance to shine, but it failed.

Also note that Windows server has taken marketshare from Linux over that past few quarters. Windows makes up 80% of the server revenue yet just 40% of the adoption rate...DX makes up 99% of the PC gaming revenue, yet its not quite 99%.
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This is false. OpenGL in Linux =/= OGL on other platforms...There are vastly different OGL implementations that simply saying OGL is found on more platforms is a moot point.
I don't agree with anything you said, TBH. If anything, Microsoft will be a amalgamation of Apple & Google's model, providing 3rd party products while itself offering 1st party products of the same caliber; they will compete with themselves and other manufacturers. I cannot see Linux ever taking away users from Windows because its major advantage is also its main disadvantage... There are hundreds of distros of Linux each with varying difficulties of use, whereas there is just one distro of Windows and OSX. OSX has grown over the past few years, not Linux...Linux had it's chance to shine, but it failed.
Also note that Windows server has taken marketshare from Linux over that past few quarters. Windows makes up 80% of the server revenue yet just 40% of the adoption rate...DX makes up 99% of the PC gaming revenue, yet its not quite 99%.

Realistically, Ubuntu is probably going to change that view, and really has already started. There are companies that sell Ubuntu-only laptops and desktops, and for good reason; it's very user-oriented (Hell, my mom uses it!). People don't use Windows because there is only one "flavor" (in reality, each release of Windows is another "flavor"), people use Windows because it's what's been used, and all of their programs work on it.

Also, saying that Windows Server has taken marketshare from Linux over the past few quarters is a bit of a difficult thing to measure. Microsoft's recent visualization friendly licensing change has made it so people will deploy Windows servers that they might not have before. The company I work for is a great example; we used to have one terminal server for the entire company. Now that it doesn't cost us any more money to deploy, we have one or more for each department and/or application.

You also really have to look into how they are measuring "marketshare." If they are doing it by number of activations, that number is going to be very, very skewed.

Don't get me wrong, Windows isn't going to disappear overnight, but disregarding Linux as competition is a mistake they really cannot afford to make.
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Guys think a bit.we don't know squat.china changed the game with one decision:china will use LINUX.i know it's hard for us to accept this.the fact of Mather is we don't know what's gona happen.even the game maker here are confused.asian game maker?they don't think like us for them its a new market with almost 0 competition.for them and steam ?best news to come along in years.we will get title on Linux from Asia directly and probably before chrismas ,why.simple they got ton of good never released title they never dared send here.now?why not !they ll make them avail our market isn't big so I suspect initial release won't be translated ,who cares get to play them lol.say ty to china Linux gamer because you just became number 2 as a gaming community world wide.and apple can't do a thing about it!okok the game might not be in English this year ,who care lol.i don't =)

I'm sorry, and this is in no way meant as a racist comment, but who gives a crap about China? What do you mean "china uses linux"? The whole country, overnight? I think you mean the Chinese government - big deal, the US government has been using Linux for 10 years. Hasn't affected gaming one tiny bit. There are already tons of Asian game makers - ever heard of Nintendo?? I really don't see China making a big impact, even if the devs shift there (technology is improving in China at an alarming rate), they'll still have to see the games to the US & Europe to have an impact, and at the moment, that means a Windows version.

I guess you could see a weird fragmentation, where China is effectively siloed, and make games that run on Linux, in China only (no translations). It'd be sweet if they translated those, but you've got the same "1% of users" problem. As a dev, why would you spend money bringing games to an OS that only 1% of people use (in this case, English Linux)
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I'm sorry, and this is in no way meant as a racist comment, but who gives a crap about China? What do you mean "china uses linux"? The whole country, overnight? I think you mean the Chinese government - big deal, the US government has been using Linux for 10 years. Hasn't affected gaming one tiny bit. There are already tons of Asian game makers - ever heard of Nintendo?? I really don't see China making a big impact, even if the devs shift there (technology is improving in China at an alarming rate), they'll still have to see the games to the US & Europe to have an impact, and at the moment, that means a Windows version.
I guess you could see a weird fragmentation, where China is effectively siloed, and make games that run on Linux, in China only (no translations). It'd be sweet if they translated those, but you've got the same "1% of users" problem. As a dev, why would you spend money bringing games to an OS that only 1% of people use (in this case, English Linux)

I think quite many companies care a lot about China and Asian markets in general. China + India combined are already like quarter of the human population on Earth. I think there is a reason why MS has been traditionally selling some version of their Windows intended for "developing countries". In China there is a lot of poor people who cant afford mobile phone, not to mention a computer but you are forgetting that China's "middle class" is approx 300 million people, these are the people that can and do afford "real" computers, play games, buy western cars, etc. That is significant size market. By most predictions China's ecenomic power will exceed that of the EU and US within couple of decades if the current trends keep going, which is not that sure ofc, with all the economic troubles, looming budget cuts everywhere, etc.
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Ok, I'll take the 300 million people part, and then state that they are already in the same boat as the US & Europe. That is, they're using Windows and are happy gaming and all that. So, not fussed about native Linux gaming on Steam (no more than those in this thread)

Unless you're trying to say that the 300 million are using Linux, in which case I'd be interested where you got that info...
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Ok, I'll take the 300 million people part, and then state that they are already in the same boat as the US & Europe. That is, they're using Windows and are happy gaming and all that. So, not fussed about native Linux gaming on Steam (no more than those in this thread)
Unless you're trying to say that the 300 million are using Linux, in which case I'd be interested where you got that info...

Hehe. I have no idea what they are using or playing. Anyway - all I was trying to say was that companies do care whats happening in China in response to the "Who cares about China" - well, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple and so on - they all do.
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True, totally agree with that - my point was, the statement "china has decided to use Linux now" and relating that to a shift in gaming, is not the right thing to do. I disagree with the statement anyway, but my argument was you can fairly safely regard "middle-class" China as the same audience as the US & Europre, in gaming & Windows terms.
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Ubuntu?Linux?who said anything about Ubuntu in china?there is a national Linux in china,and this is why Linux will tribe in china.in America?gov would be ignored in china?the gov want massive adoption so they LL probably have very nice incentive.linux might be fragmented on earth but it won't be in china.even if only 10 % plof actual web user adopt Linux its still end up to about 40 some million.(ya that's a lot of Linux we might think Linux as no future but only a limited few don't use Linux and they re mostly gamer anyway so no biggy!
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??? Who said anything about Ubuntu at all????

I get what you're saying - the Chinese government is building their own distro for their people, but this isn't new (well, maybe the government part, but country-specific distro's certainly aren't). They'll still be a slave to the kernel & GNU. Here's hoping they'll honour the GPL and submit patches back upstream (they don't have a good record for this in other areas redface.gif). Plus, you have the issue of the existing people using Windows - how would you convince them to switch? By force?

My point still stands - even if all 300 million Chinese people use Linux, a developer writing a game for them, would still have to spend a ton of cash translating for US/European use, when there is only a handful of users. Unless it's written in English, but why would the game dev do that, if their primary market isn't the English speaking world??
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