Originally Posted by illipinoG
First time posting a news article, but this caught my eye. I did a quick search and there are some similar threads, but this article seems to be a new continuation of the previous ones? If I'm mistaken, mods, please remove this.source
This has been going on much longer and at a more personal level. What I mean is many ISP's have operated this way on their own for a long time, if my company gets enough complaints on one customer, we cut them off completely.
Originally Posted by Masked
Every single time that I've mentioned this was happening or even eluded to it, I've been told "IP's aren't people".
Well, yes, yes they are...Ultimately, your use of the IP is yours or someone else's and this bill ensures they'll be faulted for it...
I still keep in touch with a few friends in France and this
is very real.
There's no such thing as anonymity on the internet anymore...So better watch what you download.
Originally Posted by Masked
The ruling in it's context states that you cannot actually identify an individual by an IP if a crime was committed which, is moderately true.
I'm not about to link threads together but, ISP's now have policies where if a person of authority has real evidence, 9/10 that ISP gives up the end user...
This is 2012, if you're pirating at a Starbucks, then by this bill, the Starbucks gets tagged...Thus, an IP is actually ultimately responsible for your actions until they prove otherwise, this is what I meant in my first post.
You can post all day about how your IP isn't an identifier yet, your ISP actually disagrees and will give you up in a heartbeat.
This is just the next step in that progression and as I've said many many many times, there is no such thing as anonymity on the internet anymore.
Masked, I think you and I have made commentary on this matter in several posts before.
What Masked is saying is absolutely correct, most ISP's will simply provide the needed information to Law Enforcement, no warrant/subpoena required. My business has this clearly outlined in the Usage Agreement, if you break the law and they want your information, we will hand it over without question.
It costs us time and money to deal with letters from Attorneys and Copyright holders filing complaints about people stealing. As a business I am going to lessen the financial impact as much as possible when it comes to dealing with people stealing. One of the easiest ways of doing this is to simply give the thieves information to the authorities upon their request, and absolve myself of liabilities.
My business is tiny compared to AT&T, Verizon, and Charter. If I get letters from Copyright holders on a regular basis, I can't imagine how often the "big guys" get letters, educated guess would tell me they have entire teams dedicated to the problem.
Personally, 4 strikes is WAAAY too soft, we typically run a 2 strike policy, or one MAJOR.Edited by PostalTwinkie - 10/9/12 at 12:01pm