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What you are judging your opinion on is the wireless industry in its current state, which is very poor. Many "experts" in the field aren't looking at what could be used and what could be deployed, only what is currently allowed. The difference between what is possible and what is allowed is......beyond vast.
There isn't a need for constant upgrading up wireless infrastructure, especially if proper technology was deployed. There are technologies that are capable of delivering capacities that rival fiber, without the expense of putting down fiber or the potential cost for repair should the line be compromised. Mile for mile, fiber can not compete with wireless in terms of cost! Fiber can cost up to $40,000 per mile depending on how it has to be deployed. I just deployed a wireless link that is pushing over 1Gbps across two miles, for under $5000. The cost to run fiber that same distance was going to be nearly $100,000 because how it would needed to of been deployed. That is even under current restrictions of the industry, and not the "good stuff" that we could deploy if allowed! Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Now, I know what you are going to say, "Fiber can go faster than that!", yes, Fiber is amazing in that regard. That is why fiber isn't going to go away, and why I love fiber! That is why this country needs a Fiber/Wireless hybrid system to meet our needs. People keep saying "Well Korea..." or "Well Japan...", guess what? Japan is smaller than California! South Korea is about the size of Illinois! Their systems are HEAVILY subsidized by their governments, both for consumer cost and infrastructure cost and up-keep.
We aren't talking about deploying services to California or Illinois, we are talking about the entire United States of America, a massive landmass. It is impossible to drag fiber everywhere access is needed. Please, lace our larger population centers in fiber, for the love of god we need it. Outside of that, let us use WhiteSpace, there is more than enough room available to meet our needs. Without a Fiber/Wireless hybrid system, this country will fail in providing proper access.
As for the alternate energy tower I mentioned, they have been done, we did a small one ourselves for a little community. It actually worked out far better than we expected, its a champ. The larger ones I have seen are also doing very well. Of course these have their limits, but typically where you would have one the load on the tower will be very low compared to other towers.
We aren't talking about 100% penetration with wireless, but a Fiber/Wireless hybrid. See the above.
EDIT:
To give an idea on what a Fiber/Wireless hybrid system would look like....
City A: Large population center, laced with Fiber, high performing and great speeds.
25 rural miles away you have Town A. Low population , 5,000 people maybe, needs service.
You would push wireless link from City A to Town A, with the right technology it would be several Gigs in capacity. From center of Town A you would broadcast a next generation technology, DOCSIS over the air, and deliver 20+ Mbps, or faster, connections to customers.
This link would require very little upkeep, and the capacity far exceeds what Town A will ever use. Cost? Next to nothing compared to running fiber from City A to Town A and hard wiring each home. Again, keep in mind this is with technology that we currently have, but just aren't allowed to use
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my family back home could use someone like you in their community. They live out in a rural area, fiber has been laid like 2 miles away from where my dad lives, no one is willing to set up any internet, his only option is satellite (10GB cap) or dial-up. Might have to talk to you sometime...
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We shut them off....
Large amounts of P2P traffic easily break "fair usage" policies, and we can terminate their connections. Additionally, you two are aren't understanding a few things....
1) You can encrypt the data, but we can still see where it is going, and then through various tools determine who is at the other end.
2) Even encrypted data isn't 100% safe in today's world, and it is possible to view that data - But that is a conversation for another time.
3) You two act like it is your legal RIGHT to use an ISP. Nope! It is a privilege and you are subject to our usage rules.

Which why I'm beginning to wonder if private ISP are actually the way to go..
 
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my family back home could use someone like you in their community. They live out in a rural area, fiber has been laid like 2 miles away from where my dad lives, no one is willing to set up any internet, his only option is satellite (10GB cap) or dial-up. Might have to talk to you sometime...

This is very common; Small communities that live out just beyond the reach of physical infrastructure, and can't get service. This is where wireless excels, as it can reach these people for an extremely low cost.
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Which why I'm beginning to wonder if private ISP are actually the way to go..

You think a government controlled ISP would be better? Look at Iran or N. Korea.....

I find it amazing at how OK people are with Pirating, and how little people seem to understand how it impacts everyone. Look at it this way; By kicking the Pirates off the network, we are looking out for the honest people on the network. Helping insure their rates stay as low as possible and their service level as high as possible. Like it or not, Pirating impacts what people pay.

The other thing, this entire news article really isn't new. This has been going on for a very long time with ISP's, as smaller ISP's can't afford to have people running around Pirating in mass, it costs the ISP too much by eating bandwidth.
    
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What about if you use a IP & HTTP blocker?Also what about people who use a VCR or a DVR and record a movie or TV or Sporting Event?With a DVR you can save it to your computer and the VCR although not used anymore was the same thing.That's a form of piracy.
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Out of curiosity, who's going to pay the millions to lay F/O outside of a city?
The issue I have with this statement is a simple one...You don't comprehend the cost of industrial F/O or the costs of actually "laying the pipeline" to individuals, like yourself.
Look up how much google spent giving Kansas F/O ~ I'll give you a hint, it cut into their revenue stream by over 50%. That's right, Google's revenue, over 50%.
So, where's the money come from? Is it growing on trees outside or...because I hate to break it to you but, 1m people leaving a cable service doesn't even remotely cover the costs of 5m of fiber.


if the isp's would have used the money our government gave them to do this very thing then this wouldn't be an issue
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Sorry America.
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Its called SSL and Tor, until they do SSL inspection and or man in the middle attacks good luck ISP.
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This is very common; Small communities that live out just beyond the reach of physical infrastructure, and can't get service. This is where wireless excels, as it can reach these people for an extremely low cost.
You think a government controlled ISP would be better? Look at Iran or N. Korea.....
I find it amazing at how OK people are with Pirating, and how little people seem to understand how it impacts everyone. Look at it this way; By kicking the Pirates off the network, we are looking out for the honest people on the network. Helping insure their rates stay as low as possible and their service level as high as possible. Like it or not, Pirating impacts what people pay.
The other thing, this entire news article really isn't new. This has been going on for a very long time with ISP's, as smaller ISP's can't afford to have people running around Pirating in mass, it costs the ISP too much by eating bandwidth.
Pirates are mostly people who wouldn't pay for games in the first place, so they really aren't affecting the rates people pay. In addition, the prices of things like games are set based on the number of people who will buy it at a certain price, so if there are more people buying it, it won't really affect the price.
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if the isp's would have used the money our government gave them to do this very thing then this wouldn't be an issue

If you are referring to the multi-billion dollar stimulus that was passed, then you might not fully understand it. The stimulus that was passed to improve this countries internet access wasn't just for ISP's! Any entity that facilitated the "Access" to the internet received money, the problem is that they gave "Access" a vast meaning, and what ended up happening was most the money went to entities other than ISP's.

An example of this was Portland State University, they received a fairly substantial sum of money from the program to develop and online course, that taught people how to use the internet. Yes, you read that correctly, an online course teaching people how to be online. They were able to receive the money because this course increased the ability of people to "Access" the internet. This wasn't just one instance, these were happening all over the place. Entities receiving money when they had no real direct impact on how people got online, but because of how broad "Access" was left, somehow qualified.
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Pirates are mostly people who wouldn't pay for games in the first place, so they really aren't affecting the rates people pay. In addition, the prices of things like games are set based on the number of people who will buy it at a certain price, so if there are more people buying it, it won't really affect the price.

I am sorry, I wasn't clear enough....

Pirates don't impact the cost of operation as an ISP, and ultimately the customers cost, by stealing software. They increase cost by using an excessive amount of bandwidth, which forces ISP's to pay more for more bandwidth, increasing overhead costs.

I have seen people pirate content and consume several TB of data in a weeks time. Their connections maxed out 24/7, literally, from the time it went live to termination, 100% maxed out.
    
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Pirates don't impact the cost of operation as an ISP, and ultimately the customers cost, by stealing software. They increase cost by using an excessive amount of bandwidth, which forces ISP's to pay more for more bandwidth, increasing overhead costs.
I have seen people pirate content and consume several TB of data in a weeks time. Their connections maxed out 24/7, literally, from the time it went live to termination, 100% maxed out.
Umm... I could download several hundred gigabytes of games at 1 MB/s if I wanted, legally. I don't think pirates are really going to matter that much; I can legally stream TV, Movies, youtube, porn and download games; If I wasn't on a terrible internet plan (Rogers internet sucks), I would use a lot of bandwidth.
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