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Do you guys think they will complain about watching free tv shows online , like watchseries?

That is a very valid point.

What say you?
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Ubisoft, IGN and many others posted numbers that proved their product was being pirated on a massive scale...How is that so hard to comprehend?
Their net losses actually support this claim and no, they'd still exist regardless of if this profit margin existed or not.
The only reason pirated copies existed was because of the DRM...Now that the DRM no longer is present, their sales went up.
Please refer to fact rather than this melancholy of absurdity.
I don't care if you're stance is against "corporate america" or not, be logical.
I've also witnessed a torrent site exist off a line that was spliced into but, I guess he wasn't stealing and pirating because "corporate america" are baddies...Even though he was soaking up 40% of the signal...That's okay though! rolleyes.gif

And their figures were made by their research... how convenient that they support their own claim. Also considering that it took into account, like I said, cracks for games (which does not constitute a lost sale)... skewed results.

I'm not, and have never said I was, against 'corporate America'. In fact, I work for a major bank, and not in the retail side... I AM against corrupt 'xxx'.. be it America, Mexico, Canada, or any other nation's businesses or politicians. I am not against corporate America.

Like Langer just stated as well, there doesn't seem to be any issue with DVR technology, which functions quite the same as what you do by obtaining 'pirated' content via a P2P.

I also find it hard to believe that Ubisoft wouldn't be suffering quite a bit more if they were really suffering from only 5% sales during the time periods they claimed were an issue. Their losses don't specifically correlate to those being pirated. It is not an issue of causation there. Piracy did not CAUSE their net losses. Their net losses were caused by horrible DRM and lack of interest in their products. Piracy did contribute to these issues though, that is a given.

Speaking in an absolute isn't wise word choice when you say i'm not being logical and rooted in fact. Ex.: "The only reason pirated copies existed was because of the DRM..." Even before ALL DRM, piracy existed for those who didn't have access to, or didn't want to pay for the game. Pirated copies existed because some people just enjoy the challenge of cracking a game, and some wanted to 'stick it to the man'...

Ubisoft is just fine, and piracy isn't going to sink them any more than it is going to sink any of the recording studios. These entities have proven time and again they are all perfectly capable of failing on their own.

For Postals comment: "..and it wasn't purchased legally or given away by the owner for free, it is stealing. Period. It can't be argued." I'll argue that... isn't P2P doing exactly that? Giving away something that was at one time originally purchased? Anymore, no one is the 'owner' of anything... so that is the only loophole, but that is legaleeze, and really quite anti-consumer in the end.
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"Piracy stealing. lol"
"It isn't called rape, it is called a snuggle struggle officer. lol"
"No officer, I didn't break into the home and steal this TV, I am simply borrowing it. lol"
You are taking the product of someone else without their permission or compensating them for something...http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/steal
Please read that.

stealing implies the other person loses it, piracy isnt stealing, as the other person doesnt lose it. its something that is infinitely available in a digital form

http://www.geekosystem.com/mpaa-chris-dodd-piracy-theft/

mpaa ceo has also pretty much said that piracy isnt theft
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post #234 of 411
my biggest question is this

"Can I still watch The Hobbit on youtube?" I know that whoever uploaded it to youtube doesn't have the rights to, but can I still watch it on youtube?
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PostalTwinkie,you do realize pirates are the owners who are giving stuff for free ( pirates who upload new stuff first )
So my your own definition piracy is not stealing,since nice owners are willing to share it for free
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lol all these threads immediately evolve in to "is piracy theft" and then tons of pages people arguing for each side.
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post #237 of 411
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

A criminal will always try and blame the other party or somehow justify their actions, it is the only way they can feel good about what they are doing. With that said, I believe Masked and I have given about as much information as can reasonably be given, considering the target audience.

Just like the movie/music/game industry will always try to blame the criminals for their own stubborness and failure to adapt to the internet age..... and ofcourse the bad products they produce.

Anyways monitoring users isn't a good idea, it starts with less harmless stuff like this but over time more and more will be monitored and it will end up in everything being registered of what you do.
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Just like the movie/music/game industry will always try to blame the criminals for their own stubborness and failure to adapt to the internet age..... and ofcourse the bad products they produce.
Anyways monitoring users isn't a good idea, it starts with less harmless stuff like this but over time more and more will be monitored and it will end up in everything being registered of what you do.

you are right about what you said about the various companies. However do you really think everything you do on the internet is not already monitored? Lol
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you are right about what you said about the various companies. However do you really think everything you do on the internet is not already monitored? Lol

How can everyone and everything be monitored when there are over 2 billion people using the internet?
 
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Good thing about 85% of all ISP overcharge out the ass. You think its any more fair that someone pays 80 dollars for 3megabit dsl? Because it happens all over the US. Take your self-righteous, pious opinion and go back to being a comcast lacky

Ahahahahaha...

Son, if you only knew. See, you can only throw around numbers you pulled out of your backside, carries no weight.....

First, you can thank pirates as PART of the reason pricing is high in this country. In order to compensate for the excessive bandwidth that pirates use an ISP has to pay for higher capacity backbones, increasing their overhead! All so the negative impact you feel is minimized. Overhead costs go up, pricing goes up, that is buiness. The rest you can look to the FCC, they love to keep a knife in the back of innovation and expansion as it pertains to our infrastructure.

Second, it isn't a self righteous opinion, it is fact! I busted my ass at a young age, and sacrificed much, to build my own business and become an ISP. You know the inspiration? I couldn't get high speed internet at my home, and no company expressed interest. That left only one solution, do it myself. There is no way in hell I am going to let a thief sit and cause financial loss to my business, all because they feel they are above the law and can steal others work.

So please, educate yourself before you speak. As I am sure you would throw a rager if someone walked into your home and stole your computer, the product of your efforts.

EDIT:

Let me put my flame proof suit on here.......

Anytime anyone sits and cries out about the "big corporate greed monster" or the "1%", really any entity that is successful I just laugh. As all I see are people who are too lazy to actually work, and instead of dedicating energy towards achieving success, they decide to sit and complain about others success. It makes me sick to think that most of the people that do this are near my age.

Grow up, get a job, or start your own business. You are about the only person that is responsible for your success in life! I grew up poor, if I can do it, than anyone else can. All it comes down to is drive and the willingness to make sacrifices.
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