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I think central to all of this is the notion held by Big Media that if they stopped unauthorised duplication in its tracks, that suddenly their revenues would increase by 67% (figure plucked out of thin air for accuracy). This is simply false; modern unauthorised duplication started with VCRs and recording off the radio (or before), became rife with home computers, and has continued into the Internet age.

As I've said before, Hollywood refuses to address the situation of workprints and final cuts showing up weeks before release, simply because there's no one to sue. I agree that organised "piracy" should be stopped, simply because too many times it's linked to other less savoury criminal enterprises, but simply targeting ordinary individual users is a monumental waste of time, and will not solve the problem.

Ordinary users are not the ones putting unauthorised content up on the Internet - nobody is going to PAY for a DVD or BluRay and then share it with all and sundry, so they are simply recycling what's already floating about.

So...why not target the source rather than the destination?
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That's what we call envy. What does driving a luxurious car have to do with the theft of products? I have no doubt you're a blue guy at heart, but not everyone is. I may have a 1% chance of every becoming that "1%"-er that you've been taught to hate, but I want to earn it and not be given it. Something about good old fashioned hard work reaping rewards is what I've been after, not "sitting on my ass eating cheetos and sipping Mountain Dew" and complaining about how life "isn't fair" because when you read my post above, you'll realize life ISN'T FAIR but you can still make something of yourself if you're NOT LAZY.
The rich are usually hard working and have luck/intelligence/personality to become rich. The middle class is usually hard working but lacks the luck/intelligence/personality to become rich. The poor are usually not hard working and severely lack in intelligence and personality while also not having much luck.
I've never seen such a potent mixture of arrogance and ignorance. You would benefit from learning first hand, what poverty really means.
The middle class, which is currently paying for the mistakes of the "1%" does not lack the luck/intelligence/personality to become rich. They lack the opportunity, and will, you moron. The average person is capable of placing value in things other than their monetary worth, and just want to live out their life contently without working to take more than they need and without having people take more than what is needed from them.
The luck/intelligence/personality of the rich has allowed them to pillage the middle class; they used their money to influence government to remove regulations which then made it legal to commit fraud on a nationwide scale. It's born of a belief that although they work as hard as the next person (even though they rarely do,) they deserve more compensation. You seem to share this belief. The problem is, when you're making more than another person who's working just as hard as you are, that typically means it's coming out of their pocket. In this type of economic system, where people are constantly trying to find ways to take advantage of situations in order to earn more than their share, it's always coming out of someone else's pocket. This is why there is a shrinking middle class; over the last ten years, big bankers on wall street have moved on from taking advatnage of people within the confines of the law, to using their influence to change the confines of the law.

Your money, stolen. That's fine, if you truly believe that this economic system affords the same opportunities to all it's members. If you have a brain, you'll realize that your opportunities are being greater marginalized every single day because the people who have money are using it to make sure they can not only keep it, but earn more, and more, and more, and more, and more.
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Firstly, Postal works for an ISP...He doesn't have a "skewed view"...He has the only view that matters. Why? Because all ISP's share his view.
Charter, Cox, Time Warner, ATT; I've had to work with all of them in the past year and they're actually more pompous than he is...And the irony, they look down on him because he offers a service that they can't...So, give the man a break.
In regards to maxing out the line...It's not a matter of an individual using an FTP...That's not what he's talking about...It's actually extremely easy to tap into the box and steal internet...Which, is the problem he's actually referring to.
I'm certified to work on the poles...I actually was certified just before the big storms in October that hit the NE...Volunteered to be part of the line crew. In my town, people I know, were actually stealing internet/cable...I can't disclose exact numbers but, over 25% of residents were stealing cable...That statistic is actually on the LOW END.
In major metropolitan areas, I've heard estimates of 30-40%...Haven't seen them, personally but, in my small town, witnessing over 25% of residents stealing these services...

I have family that works for Comcast as well as Dish - trust me when I tell you you're numbers are completely bogus. If that applies to your small town then fine, but they literally have people patrol areas to blackout people who are stealing cable. Also I've been told from numerous people who work for ISP's stealing internet is 3x as difficult as stealing cable.
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What you're also forgetting to mention is that the people stealing cable are the biggest abusers. Charter estimates that over 25% of their bandwidth is stolen on any given day by that minority...

What else do you expect them to say? That's like the music industry saying they've lost billions and billions because of piracy. Not because of the economic downturn, not because of a sharp decline in quality, not even because of their outdated business model - it's all because of piracy. To this very day they're still trying to convince people illegal downloading = a loss sale.

You've been handfeed their drivel that supports their position.
    
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I have family that works for Comcast as well as Dish - trust me when I tell you you're numbers are completely bogus. If that applies to your small town then fine, but they literally have people patrol areas to blackout people who are stealing cable. Also I've been told from numerous people who work for ISP's stealing internet is 3x as difficult as stealing cable.
If they're on an open network or using WEP, it's not that hard. It's their fault for ignoring all security precautions, though.
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Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

If they're on an open network or using WEP, it's not that hard. It's their fault for ignoring all security precautions, though.

You are right but look at the obsticles:

  • It would have to be an internet connection fast enough for heavy downloading
  • They would need to have a router with good enough signal

Of course these things are possible but you have 2 other things to consider:

  • Most entry level users don't notice a discernible speed difference thus won't pay the extra money for a faster connection.
  • Even if they do, most IPS's set up the wireless routers when they install the internet

Remember, he made the assertion that 25% of an ISP's bandwidth is made up of people stealing internet. Casual Wi-Fi stealing is rampart, but in the context of stealing Terabytes a day it just isn't that easy. The ISP's are skewing their numbers to push for a government clampdown on downloading.
    
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If they're on an open network or using WEP, it's not that hard. It's their fault for ignoring all security precautions, though.

haha yea I cracked my own WEP key once just as a proof of concept, it shocked me how easy/fast it was with my old core 2 duo laptop
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What if someone wants to get into graphic design, 3D animation, or video editing. Most people in those professions start in their teens and the software cost thousands of dollars. I'm sure most professionals have pirated the software at one point or another.

i see what you mean but is it worth going to prison for? i don't think so

How else would you propose they start learning then?

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How else would you propose they start learning then?
You could justify sending a person to jail for any offense by this logic. Are you going to send people to jail for repeatedly smoking too close to buildings, failing to signal when they're turning their vehicles, or not using crosswalks, aswell? No. Some things will never warrant a jail sentence.
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Originally Posted by NotUrAverageJoe View Post

You are right but look at the obsticles:
  • It would have to be an internet connection fast enough for heavy downloading
  • They would need to have a router with good enough signal
Of course these things are possible but you have 2 other things to consider:
  • Most entry level users don't notice a discernible speed difference thus won't pay the extra money for a faster connection.
  • Even if they do, most IPS's set up the wireless routers when they install the internet
Remember, he made the assertion that 25% of an ISP's bandwidth is made up of people stealing internet. Casual Wi-Fi stealing is rampart, but in the context of stealing Terabytes a day it just isn't that easy. The ISP's are skewing their numbers to push for a government clampdown on downloading.
Most ISPs who I have seen set up wireless routers set them up using WEP.

In an apartment you will probably be able to connect to dozens of wireless networks easily, and probably most will have enough speed to download as fast as you would need for most torrents. The max of wireless, in my experience, has been about 1MB/s, so you would need an actual wired connection or multiple wireless connections to actually download several terabytes a week.
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haha yea I cracked my own WEP key once just as a proof of concept, it shocked me how easy/fast it was with my old core 2 duo laptop
Yeah, WEP is basically as secure as no password.
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How else would you propose they start learning then?
Reasonable fines? Prison and $5000 fines are excessive when you copy a $2 song.
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Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

Most ISPs who I have seen set up wireless routers set them up using WEP.
In an apartment you will probably be able to connect to dozens of wireless networks easily, and probably most will have enough speed to download as fast as you would need for most torrents. The max of wireless, in my experience, has been about 1MB/s, so you would need an actual wired connection or multiple wireless connections to actually download several terabytes a week.
Yeah, WEP is basically as secure as no password.
Reasonable fines? Prison and $5000 fines are excessive when you copy a $2 song.

yep took about 5 minutes on ubuntu to crack it with aircrack-ng package

and yea 5 years in jail + 250,000 possible fine, can you tell the companies wrote that law lol..... you get less time for hurting someone usually and no where near the fine
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