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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post

I'm very, very late here, but:
Ok? "I have a 128-bit WEP key on my wireless connection that I couldn't crack myself with a dual-GPU setup and software running for weeks. I also have it randomly generated every 15 minutes. Someone must have miraculously managed to crack it and piggy-back off me to use my internet connection and illegally download several gigabytes of copyrighted software, movies, and music. Check out my huge Amazon-purchased MP3 library and my Steam games list breh." What then? It's pretty difficult to argue and prove against that. If an ISP ever gets to the point where they're accusing me of such a thing, I'll have them speak to my personal lawyer and have them obtain a warrant if they want to go as far as searching my computer hardware for evidence of any such illegal downloads.
"You" (ISPs) can't demand that your customers have government-grade security without providing it to us, and should therefore not be able to come to a verdict that we're directly committing piracy just because your systems show that there was a lot of P2P traffic through our service connection. Reminds me of the recent fiasco over red light cameras, toll cameras, etc. If my car was stolen at 4AM while I was sleeping, the thief robbed a bank and got away (but my license plate and car were caught on camera) am I the criminal to arrest? Is it my fault that my car's factory alarm (and in my case, my aftermarket alarm with it as well) weren't "secure enough" to stop someone from stealing and using it for illegal activity?

really? took me 10 mins to crack my WEP on a core 2 duo laptop.......

It was a sarcastic/theoretical example, hence the quotation I placed. thumb.gif Is that 10 minutes for a 128-bit? My example was intended to be a ridiculous scenario where an ISP customer has clearly done everything within their power to secure their Wi-Fi network, where they even extensively tested it via attempting to crack their own password with GPU processing and failed. The point I was getting across is you can't put the blame on the customer if someone tapped into their wireless network. That would be like the example I mentioned with the bank robber. wink.gif
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 10/16/12 at 12:50pm
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Pics or it didn't happen biggrin.gif

Lol.........
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It was a sarcastic/theoretical example, hence the quotation I placed. thumb.gif Is that 10 minutes for a 128-bit? My example was intended to be a ridiculous scenario where an ISP customer has clearly done everything within their power to secure their Wi-Fi network, where they even extensively tested it via attempting to crack their own password with GPU processing and failed. The point I was getting across is you can't put the blame on the customer if someone tapped into their wireless network. That would be like the example I mentioned with the bank robber. wink.gif

Ahh I didn't read your whole post and yea it was 128 bit WEP. I kept hearing about how insecure it was so I figured i'd have a go with, just followed a nice tutorial with the aircrack-ng program on ubuntu biggrin.gif I was pretty shocked how easy it is.... You just generate some packets that the router replies to and basically once enough of those packets are generated you can determine a key from that info with like 1-2 more steps

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Was the guy running a wireless setup? It wouldn't be hard to do it beyond a reasonable doubt for someone living alone with only a wired connection.

You aren't serious are you? How would the the people these companies pay to check the "peers" tab of a torrent client even know if someone was running wireless or wired? All they see is an ip

And what would stop someone from just saying "oh yea I was running wifi" and none of this has anything to do with the insecure Ipv4 protocol that can be spoofed which was my point. On the internet there is always reasonable doubt because you can't "see" the actual person using the machine or even truly know where that machine is located based on some insecure-as-all-hell protocol.
Edited by HardwareDecoder - 10/16/12 at 1:03pm
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It was a sarcastic/theoretical example, hence the quotation I placed. thumb.gif Is that 10 minutes for a 128-bit? My example was intended to be a ridiculous scenario where an ISP customer has clearly done everything within their power to secure their Wi-Fi network, where they even extensively tested it via attempting to crack their own password with GPU processing and failed. The point I was getting across is you can't put the blame on the customer if someone tapped into their wireless network. That would be like the example I mentioned with the bank robber. wink.gif
Why would they have WEP then?
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You aren't serious are you? How would the the people these companies pay to check the "peers" tab of a torrent client even know if someone was running wireless or wired? All they see is an ip
And what would stop someone from just saying "oh yea I was running wifi" and none of this has anything to do with the insecure Ipv4 protocol that can be spoofed which was my point. On the internet there is always reasonable doubt because you can't "see" the actual person using the machine or even truly know where that machine is located based on some insecure-as-all-hell protocol.
When it comes up in court, they would be able to see what your setup was like.
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Why would they have WEP then?
When it comes up in court, they would be able to see what your setup was like.

no... they really wouldn't be able to....
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Well. that was an interesting read.

And further proof as to why this country is going down the crapper.

A Small ISP saved much money by moving to a different provider, I'd like to know how the money would be re-invested or passed on to the customer.

Greed at it's best, people believing that they will be part of the 1%.

That's the problem.

Everyone votes for what they want to be, not what they are.
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no... they really wouldn't be able to....
They couldn't/wouldn't just ask?
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They couldn't/wouldn't just ask?

why would they care?
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Good luck. I'm behind 7 proxies.
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Good luck. I'm behind 7 proxies.

You sir must have a REALLY slow connection lol biggrin.gif
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Good luck. I'm behind 7 proxies.

You sir must have a REALLY slow connection lol biggrin.gif

At least I don't have to deal with tor's 5 minute handshakes tongue.gif
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