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One thing that never ceases to amaze me on this forum, is the amount of people that try to justify a legal reason to break the law. doh.gif
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It was a sarcastic/theoretical example, hence the quotation I placed. thumb.gif Is that 10 minutes for a 128-bit? My example was intended to be a ridiculous scenario where an ISP customer has clearly done everything within their power to secure their Wi-Fi network, where they even extensively tested it via attempting to crack their own password with GPU processing and failed. The point I was getting across is you can't put the blame on the customer if someone tapped into their wireless network. That would be like the example I mentioned with the bank robber. wink.gif
Why would they have WEP then?

I own a laptop that only supports WEP, can't connect to WPA-secured networks.
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why would they care?
Because you could claim that someone got onto your wireless network if you had one, which would give you plausible deniability.
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Originally Posted by Nick7269 View Post

One thing that never ceases to amaze me on this forum, is the amount of people that try to justify a legal reason to break the law. doh.gif
As a read through this, some people are ready to start scrapping to push there belief that breaking the law is legal! haha
I can sleep better tonight now, thanks guys for the kick!
A legal reason to break the law? Trying to justify piracy with anything other than sampling it before purchasing (this is why everything should have a demo) makes me laugh, but most of the discussion here has been a discussion of how badly this could go for people who aren't even pirates.
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I own a laptop that only supports WEP, can't connect to WPA-secured networks.
At that point, I would just get a USB wireless card. Everyone I know uses WPA.
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Come on guys .their father or mother were using satelite Gees free.how you do it you hack lol.they evolved so much that they were producing self credit card programming satellite .would probably be way more advanced if internet hadn't took over when hacker got bored of how easy it was that was 10 15 years ago maybe more lol.i am pretty sure they didn't vanish into thin air this satellite dish hacker.bell Canada is being sued by if I recall videotron or quebecor for letting hacker in.bell was like what!we faught tooth an nail vs hacker and couldn't prevent them from access.bow they say they did it.they didn't hacker moved on to better more profitable challenge.
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I own a laptop that only supports WEP, can't connect to WPA-secured networks.
At that point, I would just get a USB wireless card. Everyone I know uses WPA.

Well my main point is an ISP can't force you to go out and spend money for such a purpose. If my ISP wants to demand that I use WPA over WEP, they can either hand me a new laptop or a USB wireless card that'll let my laptop connect to WPA. Until then, I'll set up my wireless network with what my existing hardware can use and what I was given by my ISP; a modem and a router. I'm paying for their service, and if I have to use it via their conditions, they better supply the hardware necessary for me to be able to use the service. Obvious exception would be a computer as you have no reason to get Internet service if you don't have a computer.
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One thing that never ceases to amaze me on this forum, is the amount of people that try to justify a legal reason to break the law. doh.gif
As a read through this, some people are ready to start scrapping to push there belief that breaking the law is legal! haha
I can sleep better tonight now, thanks guys for the kick!

If the only thing that can be cited is 'breaking the law'... you have to take in all of the caveats to what those 'laws' actually say and cover. Many are vague to the point of irrelevance, and others are overbearing to the point of being illegal in and of themselves. Some that were attempting to take those extreme measures national (see SOPA/PIPA..) were sticken down.

The problem with the 'law' is that it is organic, but growing and changing at a pace maybe 1/10 of the society it attempts to represent/protect. Do you really think the lawmakers have a clue about the laws they're attempting to shove through for all the current technology? They're paid, via campaign contributions and such or with lobbyist support, to support things they're told are the root of all digital evil in the world and will damage their constituency... ie: do what we say or the little man will hate you and you'll lose everything, here, have some money to show we're serious.

Laws are created and stricken down almost daily... how are you supposed to keep faith in laws that are set up in bad faith and with unjust causes? Like an example I cited before... I go buy a book, read it, let you and whoever you want borrow it. I make no profit, but wish to spread the knowledge of said book. That can almost be considered noble if the receiving parties couldn't otherwise afford or have access to the material. Libraries do this daily... NOW, change that to a digital format... buy an e-book, read it, make a personal torrent for your friends to enjoy the work you bought. Now THAT is horribly illegal and is ruining the lives of publishers and writers worldwide.. SHAME ON YOU. Yes, JK Rowling is just rotting in filth right now... poor Stephen King too.. I feel for them, really I do.

In a lot of the actual P2P, it's a matter of semantics. The original work was purchased and is being shared free of charge on a digital format. I have no problem with this, and would have no problem with my works being distributed in this fashion. I wholeheartedly agree that using this to plagiarize works for profit, recognition, whatever... IS wrong, but this is also fairly uncommon with all the digital signatures readily available to be embeded in the original work. Do you see anyone out there claiming to have created any Assassin's Creed game and having removed the devs signatures? Nope... but Ubisoft may say yes. doh.gif

For a more direct example where the flow of P2P data an easily be misinterpreted by a cursory oversight by the ISP... pay2download music services... maybe iTunes to name one. I have friends who download several songs a day (paid) from iTunes b/c they're freaking addicted to it. All of these songs coming across the ISP filters may appear suspicious.. there's no proof a payment was made based solely on packet flow and titles of the songs. If confronted, why should my friend HAVE to prove they purchased these songs, or any other digital products, simply to satisfty the whims imposed on the ISP to make them paranoid.

If the MPAA/RIAA and their affiliates were trully suffering like they'd have us believe... I doubt they could afford all of the lobbyists still in play to force through their ideals and whims. A few years back, I remember hearing about a music star (not musician...), maybe it was Britney Spears, complaining that they had to buy a cheaper personal jet due to lower sales... and blamed music piracy. Two things, since this isn't an out-there example...1) You have a private jet... **** you pretentious ****... 2) How about lost sales from people just not liking you or your music?
People need to stop blaming piracy and making excuses... how about do a better job and people will WANT to pay for it to support you. I could have EASILY pirated a copy of Wndows 7, but chose to pay for it since I liked the demo I was able to access... same for some 50 games in my game library that I bought after a demo (not including ones I bought without demo access), and tons of cds or digital albums I bought after a few sample songs to let me see what I was in store for. Torrenting is now bad/evil/illegal, nor is PirateBay for that matter... they can be abused and actually illegal torrenting/piracy CAN occur. I would argue the percentages behind this though as the average person downloading maybe a few dozen songs a year they hear on the radio is not destroying ANYONES way of life or profit margins... wait, I take that back... the MPAA/RIAA will destroy yours to make an example of you over some music...
http://www.torontosun.com/tech/news/2010/11/04/15967161.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96797,00.html
... $150,000 PER SONG... yes, let us all feel relieved in the 'justice' being served in the name of music...
Even a wedding isn't safe: http://fstoppers.com/news-wedding-photog-sued-over-music-a-cautionary-tale - This is just one example... i've alwso heard the RIAA claiming fair use abuses since a wedding is somehow a commercialized affair and you have to as permission to play music at your own wedding... Sparsely inforced, sure, but done enough to make an example of people and be jerks in general.
Sorry for the rant/walls of text, but seriously... this is not some epidemic that is destroying industry wholesale... some 'damage', sure... but let me be the first to slap the first stupidly rich celeb or exec whining they can't buy a new jet for thier birthday... I can't buy a 2nd car so my wife and I don't have to share and have her have access to the world at large while I'm at work. We share plenty, but it's a real hastle to get the kids up at 6AM just so i can get to work on time so they can enjoy a day out of the apartment. Not even a house, or 6 backup houses in different states if I get wanderlust... an apartment...
Did I forget to mention how bummed I am I can't afford those $200-600 pairs of jeans either, so that I can be 'cool' and 'fashionable'... Walmart Levis work fine for me and have for many many years. How about my lack of a Rolex collection with a different watch for every day of the year, poor little me has to rely on my handy Fossil watch I was gifted a few years back or my anniversary pocketwatch inscribed at Things Remembered… I DEMAND JUSTICE madsmiley.png
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If the only thing that can be cited is 'breaking the law'... you have to take in all of the caveats to what those 'laws' actually say and cover. Many are vague to the point of irrelevance, and others are overbearing to the point of being illegal in and of themselves. Some that were attempting to take those extreme measures national (see SOPA/PIPA..) were sticken down.
The problem with the 'law' is that it is organic, but growing and changing at a pace maybe 1/10 of the society it attempts to represent/protect. Do you really think the lawmakers have a clue about the laws they're attempting to shove through for all the current technology? They're paid, via campaign contributions and such or with lobbyist support, to support things they're told are the root of all digital evil in the world and will damage their constituency... ie: do what we say or the little man will hate you and you'll lose everything, here, have some money to show we're serious.
Laws are created and stricken down almost daily... how are you supposed to keep faith in laws that are set up in bad faith and with unjust causes? Like an example I cited before... I go buy a book, read it, let you and whoever you want borrow it. I make no profit, but wish to spread the knowledge of said book. That can almost be considered noble if the receiving parties couldn't otherwise afford or have access to the material. Libraries do this daily... NOW, change that to a digital format... buy an e-book, read it, make a personal torrent for your friends to enjoy the work you bought. Now THAT is horribly illegal and is ruining the lives of publishers and writers worldwide.. SHAME ON YOU. Yes, JK Rowling is just rotting in filth right now... poor Stephen King too.. I feel for them, really I do.
In a lot of the actual P2P, it's a matter of semantics. The original work was purchased and is being shared free of charge on a digital format. I have no problem with this, and would have no problem with my works being distributed in this fashion. I wholeheartedly agree that using this to plagiarize works for profit, recognition, whatever... IS wrong, but this is also fairly uncommon with all the digital signatures readily available to be embeded in the original work. Do you see anyone out there claiming to have created any Assassin's Creed game and having removed the devs signatures? Nope... but Ubisoft may say yes. doh.gif
For a more direct example where the flow of P2P data an easily be misinterpreted by a cursory oversight by the ISP... pay2download music services... maybe iTunes to name one. I have friends who download several songs a day (paid) from iTunes b/c they're freaking addicted to it. All of these songs coming across the ISP filters may appear suspicious.. there's no proof a payment was made based solely on packet flow and titles of the songs. If confronted, why should my friend HAVE to prove they purchased these songs, or any other digital products, simply to satisfty the whims imposed on the ISP to make them paranoid.
If the MPAA/RIAA and their affiliates were trully suffering like they'd have us believe... I doubt they could afford all of the lobbyists still in play to force through their ideals and whims. A few years back, I remember hearing about a music star (not musician...), maybe it was Britney Spears, complaining that they had to buy a cheaper personal jet due to lower sales... and blamed music piracy. Two things, since this isn't an out-there example...1) You have a private jet... **** you pretentious ****... 2) How about lost sales from people just not liking you or your music?
People need to stop blaming piracy and making excuses... how about do a better job and people will WANT to pay for it to support you. I could have EASILY pirated a copy of Wndows 7, but chose to pay for it since I liked the demo I was able to access... same for some 50 games in my game library that I bought after a demo (not including ones I bought without demo access), and tons of cds or digital albums I bought after a few sample songs to let me see what I was in store for. Torrenting is now bad/evil/illegal, nor is PirateBay for that matter... they can be abused and actually illegal torrenting/piracy CAN occur. I would argue the percentages behind this though as the average person downloading maybe a few dozen songs a year they hear on the radio is not destroying ANYONES way of life or profit margins... wait, I take that back... the MPAA/RIAA will destroy yours to make an example of you over some music...
http://www.torontosun.com/tech/news/2010/11/04/15967161.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96797,00.html
... $150,000 PER SONG... yes, let us all feel relieved in the 'justice' being served in the name of music...
Even a wedding isn't safe: http://fstoppers.com/news-wedding-photog-sued-over-music-a-cautionary-tale - This is just one example... i've alwso heard the RIAA claiming fair use abuses since a wedding is somehow a commercialized affair and you have to as permission to play music at your own wedding... Sparsely inforced, sure, but done enough to make an example of people and be jerks in general.
Sorry for the rant/walls of text, but seriously... this is not some epidemic that is destroying industry wholesale... some 'damage', sure... but let me be the first to slap the first stupidly rich celeb or exec whining they can't buy a new jet for thier birthday... I can't buy a 2nd car so my wife and I don't have to share and have her have access to the world at large while I'm at work. We share plenty, but it's a real hastle to get the kids up at 6AM just so i can get to work on time so they can enjoy a day out of the apartment. Not even a house, or 6 backup houses in different states if I get wanderlust... an apartment...
Did I forget to mention how bummed I am I can't afford those $200-600 pairs of jeans either, so that I can be 'cool' and 'fashionable'... Walmart Levis work fine for me and have for many many years. How about my lack of a Rolex collection with a different watch for every day of the year, poor little me has to rely on my handy Fossil watch I was gifted a few years back or my anniversary pocketwatch inscribed at Things Remembered…
I DEMAND JUSTICE madsmiley.png

Stop talking about envy and start talking about the disporportionate spread of wealth!

/s

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You know what, I'm going to start sectioning off my large posts like that with a spoiler tag like you included before I submit lol. I apologize again for my walls of text, but at least I'm making paragraphs tongue.gif
I do get heated about this stuff and like to talk, but I wouldn't call my thoughts irrational or unreasonable... idealistic yes, but what's wrong with that? I have hope... anger too, but hope for something better.
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You know what, I'm going to start sectioning off my large posts like that with a spoiler tag like you included before I submit lol. I apologize again for my walls of text, but at least I'm making paragraphs tongue.gif
I do get heated about this stuff and like to talk, but I wouldn't call my thoughts irrational or unreasonable... idealistic yes, but what's wrong with that? I have hope... anger too, but hope for something better.

Your post was fine, I only did it for the purpose of the quote biggrin.gif.

Idealism is dead, logic does not rule anymore, only emotions and that's a tangent I could go on for a while rolleyes.gif
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AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Gateway GM5072 AMD HD5550 2.0 Gb 
Hard DriveMonitorKeyboardPower
Seagate Barracuda 500Gb Samsung FX2490 MS Keyboard 3000 300w generic 
Mouse
MS Intellipoint 3000 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2500k GigaByte Z68M-D2H-B3 MSI 560 Ti TFIII Corsair Vengance 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 830 Antec Khuler 920 Win7 HP Samsung FX2490 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Microsoft Keyboard 3000 Seasonic X-660 Antec Three Hundred Microsoft Mouse 3000 
Mouse PadAudio
None - Blue Track baby Senn HD428 
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