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This, this, and more this. In testing my own internet i cracked my wpa key in less than a day using my gtx 460. I know my neighbour has 3xgtx 580's so i expect he could crack my key in 1/8 the time. if i got banned from my internet for my neighbor or some douche-bag down the road i'd sue.

So you'd sue other people based on your negligence?

You have to realize that if you're using a security encryption that you know is weak...Then it gets hacked...You're at fault.

Maybe try and sue yourself? Then change it to a secure encryption?

You as the host are responsible for what happens over your internet connection...Period.

So sue away...You're wasting your money.
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So you'd sue other people based on your negligence?
You have to realize that if you're using a security encryption that you know is weak...Then it gets hacked...You're at fault.
Maybe try and sue yourself? Then change it to a secure encryption?
You as the host are responsible for what happens over your internet connection...Period.
So sue away...You're wasting your money.

just be cause its insecure doesn't mean the other party would have the right to crack it and use his net. It is afterall against the law so he'd have every right to sue. You are so hostile. Visit your doctor and get a double dose of chill pills before posting, thanks :-)
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just be cause its insecure doesn't mean the other party would have the right to crack it and use his net. It is afterall against the law so he'd have every right to sue. You are so hostile. Visit your doctor and get a double dose of chill pills before posting, thanks :-)

I have to agree... there's an unneeded level of hostility in the response there.

If someone does something against your will with an effort to protect your connection, your liability is removed in actions resulting. This is actually backed up with evidence already supplied by yourself and Postal.
MAC address... it should show that though it was your connection, it wasn't your computer. Since the opposite argument could be that you simply used a laptop you didn't "register" with your ISP or a friends laptop perhaps, you may still be liable... still no. There is still a reasonable doubt as to who actually committed the act. Marking a specific person as the user on any given device is a challenge. There are certain exceptions where this can be proven, such as being literally caught in the act...
Charging you as liable as the owner of the device used would also be a stretch and easily abused to make 'examples' out of people for scare tactics.
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just be cause its insecure doesn't mean the other party would have the right to crack it and use his net. It is afterall against the law so he'd have every right to sue. You are so hostile. Visit your doctor and get a double dose of chill pills before posting, thanks :-)

It says pretentious under my name for a reason...I'm pretentious (Ain't that a shocker).

He's the negligent party.

His posting this here, proves he's the negligent party.

He's acknowledged that his security is crap, told the world it's crap and sat here telling us virtually how to crack it.

Can you explain to me how that's not being negligent?

If I ever told a customer the above, I'd be negligent, in fact, I wouldn't have done my job so, how suddenly does ignorance free you from your own stupidity?

I'm just curious.

It's just like all of you that use Virtual Proxy Servers, or Virtual Servers/Proxies and think that the ISP isn't watching everything you do...They're very aware you're logged into a Proxy because you're going THROUGH THEM to activate the proxy.

Same goes for your mac address...You realize that you're still accessing the internet from the SAME EXACT PLACE don't you? You really think they DON'T realize that?

Time to wake up...Seriously.
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It says pretentious under my name for a reason...I'm pretentious (Ain't that a shocker).
He's the negligent party.
His posting this here, proves he's the negligent party.
He's acknowledged that his security is crap, told the world it's crap and sat here telling us virtually how to crack it.
Can you explain to me how that's not being negligent?
If I ever told a customer the above, I'd be negligent, in fact, I wouldn't have done my job so, how suddenly does ignorance free you from your own stupidity?
I'm just curious.
It's just like all of you that use Virtual Proxy Servers, or Virtual Servers/Proxies and think that the ISP isn't watching everything you do...They're very aware you're logged into a Proxy because you're going THROUGH THEM to activate the proxy.
Same goes for your mac address...You realize that you're still accessing the internet from the SAME EXACT PLACE don't you? You really think they DON'T realize that?
Time to wake up...Seriously.

Pretentious - Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
... take that for what you will, but it's not necessarily a good thing to say about yourself. Arrogant and pretentious are not the same thing.

How about to support him though... are there mandated minimum security requirements that have been proven without a doubt to be secure beyond reasonily liability of the consumer... NO.
My local ISPs actually have either no, or crap security on their provided wifi routers... so, wouldn't that make the ISP liable for not protecting their consumer? The provider I use has no protection automatically set up on their provided Westell wireless router. They advise options are available and give you... CHOICES. They do not say that there is any liability requirement for continued use of their service there... Time Warner does provide automatic protection with a wireless service install, but, i've been told that at least locally they either don't do it right (if at all) or only use methods already mentioned here to be... 'crap'. Again, ISP should be held liable for not protecting their consumer.
In fact, I would go so far as to say the managing Admins who control and designate procedures should be held liable and fired due to negligence in protecting the privacy, security, and digital assets of their consumer base.
It's fun to jump down the rabbit hole isn't it... anyone care for some tea?
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Pretentious - Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
... take that for what you will, but it's not necessarily a good thing to say about yourself. Arrogant and pretentious are not the same thing.
How about to support him though... are there mandated minimum security requirements that have been proven without a doubt to be secure beyond reasonily liability of the consumer... NO.
My local ISPs actually have either no, or crap security on their provided wifi routers... so, wouldn't that make the ISP liable for not protecting their consumer? The provider I use has no protection automatically set up on their provided Westell wireless router. They advise options are available and give you... CHOICES. They do not say that there is any liability requirement for continued use of their service there... Time Warner does provide automatic protection with a wireless service install, but, i've been told that at least locally they either don't do it right (if at all) or only use methods already mentioned here to be... 'crap'. Again, ISP should be held liable for not protecting their consumer.
In fact, I would go so far as to say the managing Admins who control and designate procedures should be held liable and fired due to negligence in protecting the privacy, security, and digital assets of their consumer base.
It's fun to jump down the rabbit hole isn't it... anyone care for some tea?

same the verizon fios routers come with WEP as default and as I stated before I cracked my own key in ~10 mins just to see if I could.

Masked is clearly full of him self. One of the most arrogant people i've ever seen on here.
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same the verizon fios routers come with WEP as default and as I stated before I cracked my own key in ~10 mins just to see if I could.
Masked is clearly full of him self. One of the most arrogant people i've ever seen on here.

As I said, knowledgeable does not mean correct. I'm sure beyond a doubt he could run circles around me in networking. Fantastic... years of education and experience will do that. I guarantee I could do the same with my banking experience... different perspectives teach different things..

What's lacking, is Wisdom.

wis·dom
1.The quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.
2.The soundness of an action or decision with regard to the application of such experience, knowledge, and good judgment.
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As I said, knowledgeable does not mean correct. I'm sure beyond a doubt he could run circles around me in networking. Fantastic... years of education and experience will do that. I guarantee I could do the same with my banking experience... different perspectives teach different things..
What's lacking, is Wisdom.
wis·dom
1.The quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.
2.The soundness of an action or decision with regard to the application of such experience, knowledge, and good judgment.

Yea the best teachers are people who know alot and embrace sharing that knowledge with others without trying to act like, well basically how he's acting biggrin.gif
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This, this, and more this. In testing my own internet i cracked my wpa key in less than a day using my gtx 460. I know my neighbour has 3xgtx 580's so i expect he could crack my key in 1/8 the time. if i got banned from my internet for my neighbor or some douche-bag down the road i'd sue.

So you'd sue other people based on your negligence?

You have to realize that if you're using a security encryption that you know is weak...Then it gets hacked...You're at fault.

Maybe try and sue yourself? Then change it to a secure encryption?

You as the host are responsible for what happens over your internet connection...Period.

So sue away...You're wasting your money.

WPA may be weak, but he can't be held responsible if his laptop or any other hardware can only connect to WPA networks. He has a pretty strong argument that he put in a good effort to secure his wireless network away from freeloaders; he tested his own security via GPU password cracking and figured since the likelihood of someone in his area having access and knowledge to such methods of intruding was very low. There are plenty of strong points he would be able to bring up in court if he was the one being sued.
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So you'd sue other people based on your negligence?
You have to realize that if you're using a security encryption that you know is weak...Then it gets hacked...You're at fault.
Maybe try and sue yourself? Then change it to a secure encryption?
You as the host are responsible for what happens over your internet connection...Period.
So sue away...You're wasting your money.

how is wpa2 weak? and i meant sue my isp for wrongful dismissal of a contractual agreement. So you're pretty much saying that if i have a lock on my car that only requires inserting a plain metal stick into it to unlock, it's my fault for not getting a better security and it being stolen is all on me? ok buddy
Edited by 8800GT - 10/19/12 at 12:29pm
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