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Originally Posted by Valor958 View Post

And since you seem intent on making personal attacks and claims against people, how about you stop and read what one of these people we've had a back and forth with just said...
"This law will lead to others and set a very scary precedent."
Just because it's the law doesn't mean you should, "..sit down, shut the f*** up, and obey the law."
Sometimes, people need to take a stand. People can and DO put their jobs on the line for what they believe in. Ever heard of a strike?
Seriously, you convey yourself very poorly, and the tone you choose to take really only hurts your chances at ever being taken seriously.

Well, it does.

This law has it's ups and downs...For one, I don't want gov't regulation but, regulation from an ISP within a set of rules, that's absolutely fine w/me.

Postal isn't out to screw his customers...He's out to screw the bad guys. One aspect of the law defines the bad guys as people who use torrents. That's the bottom line.

This law gives Postal the ability to root out terrorists, pedophiles, felons...That's a big deal because he can now be proactive by banning these people among other things.

Imagine preventing a terrorist attack...Is that really us being sheeple?

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For someone that condemns me for attacking other people...You sure do meet the definition of a hypocrite. The entire definition, at that.
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Well, it does.
This law has it's ups and downs...For one, I don't want gov't regulation but, regulation from an ISP within a set of rules, that's absolutely fine w/me.
Postal isn't out to screw his customers...He's out to screw the bad guys. One aspect of the law defines the bad guys as people who use torrents. That's the bottom line.
This law gives Postal the ability to root out terrorists, pedophiles, felons...That's a big deal because he can now be proactive by banning these people among other things.
Imagine preventing a terrorist attack...Is that really us being sheeple?
For someone that condemns me for attacking other people...You sure do meet the definition of a hypocrite. The entire definition, at that.

LOL, you freaked out at someone for saying they'd sue if someone else broke the law. I just pointed out someone who says "shut f**** up and follow the law no matter what" sounds alot like a sheep. Not all laws are just or fair just look at all the people in prison for marijuana that never hurt anyone while cigarettes that are far worse for your health with 10000 chemicals in them are legal. Why? Big companies.... You can't make money off a plant people can grow themselves.

Just like these garbage laws that are being pushed now are by big companies who don't care about anything but their bottom line. Invasion of privacy? nah they don't care. Money talks and buys senators and congress people always has always will.
Edited by HardwareDecoder - 10/19/12 at 1:30pm
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Amazingly enough, I don't really care if you take me seriously or not. It's a scary precedent that will be established because people are lazy and don't want to pay for things. It's called "suffering the consequences of other people's actions" and it pisses me off royally. I've never obtained a song or movie or whatever by illegal means, and now as Masked has stated this could very well set in motion events to govern the cloud. So now all my personal stuff might very well be free and fair game, all because a bunch of people feel entitled to stuff, and/or are too lazy to earn what it takes to obtain it. And now, because of these people, laws are put in place to try to prevent people from doing it, and people are still trying to circumvent it, making those of us who abide by the law get screwed even more. But whatever, I guess I'll just go hop on some piracy site and join in everyone else breaking the law because we need to stand together to get free s*** rolleyes.gif
wow, cool story bro rolleyes.gif

Apparently, your understanding of what i was saying and what is actually going on are maybe 50% at best. You aren't even trying to think your half arguments through. You're only half right on all accounts, for reasons that have been touched on or explained at length in this and other threads like this already.

I'm not going back into the actual effects and causation behind everything... I doubt you would read or apparently understand it since you don't care enough to analyze it.

It also wasn't about ME taking you seriously or not.Since you like to state others have poor reading comprehension... lets take a look here. Did I say, "hurts your chances at me ever taking you seriously."... OR, "hurts your chances at ever being taken seriously." That does not designate referring to a single person, me, but the masses. Do you think anyone really listens to the loudmouth admitting he speaks out of anger?

My response, thought a personal retort, was not aimed to be rude, but offer some helpful advice... think before you type. Consider your tone and the audience. We're not neophytes here... we all have a vested interest in this legislation to some degree. Why be a member of an enthusiast site if you aren't even going to try and be a productive member. Part of that... is making your posts worth reading.

Now, you are partly right on people being too lazy in a lot of cases, however a large portion over the last decade have little choice in their current financial situation. Choices are made for us that impact us negatively, and frequently nothing can be done to change that.
Also, it's the 'law of unintended consequences.'
www.econlib.org/library/Enc/UnintendedConsequences.html
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One aspect of the law defines the bad guys as people who use torrents. That's the bottom line.

And that, Dear Watson, is the problem.
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And that, Dear Watson, is the problem.

yea obviously not all torrents contain illegal stuff
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If you're concerned where this may lead us, or think I/we are exaggerating the extreme nature of what could happen...:

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/10/19/2016255/dutch-ministry-proposes-powers-for-police-to-hack-computers-install-spyware

Thank the Dutch for setting a precedent for the next step. It's only a proposal for now... but it shows a government is willing to consider it. I'm sure my Dutch friends will be writing a LOT of letter and making a LOT of calls... if this passes, I'll be very worried.
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You are now at the point of ridiculous the general public that uses WIFI has no idea what WEP/WPA is or how secure either one is.
I 100% guarantee if you had a jury during a case with 12 people on it. 10 of them would have no idea what WEP/WPA is or the specifics of how they operate/how secure they are.

The hard part would be proving your own ignorance that matched the rest of the jury's.

An enthusiast would have a difficult time with that thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by b3machi7ke View Post

Amazingly enough, I don't really care if you take me seriously or not. It's a scary precedent that will be established because people are lazy and don't want to pay for things. It's called "suffering the consequences of other people's actions" and it pisses me off royally. I've never obtained a song or movie or whatever by illegal means, and now as Masked has stated this could very well set in motion events to govern the cloud. So now all my personal stuff might very well be free and fair game, all because a bunch of people feel entitled to stuff, and/or are too lazy to earn what it takes to obtain it. And now, because of these people, laws are put in place to try to prevent people from doing it, and people are still trying to circumvent it, making those of us who abide by the law get screwed even more. But whatever, I guess I'll just go hop on some piracy site and join in everyone else breaking the law because we need to stand together to get free s*** rolleyes.gif
wow, cool story bro rolleyes.gif

What surprises me even more is that people believe the propaganda that this is the pirates fault.

It's not.

It's a means to an end, nothing more. Why do you think the NSA built that huge data center in the middle of nowhere. Surely it's because they're trying to track down all the baddies on the internet and prevent piracy "terrorism".

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Edited by Nocturin - 10/19/12 at 2:37pm
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If you're concerned where this may lead us, or think I/we are exaggerating the extreme nature of what could happen...:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/10/19/2016255/dutch-ministry-proposes-powers-for-police-to-hack-computers-install-spyware
Thank the Dutch for setting a precedent for the next step. It's only a proposal for now... but it shows a government is willing to consider it. I'm sure my Dutch friends will be writing a LOT of letter and making a LOT of calls... if this passes, I'll be very worried.

Tough what the Dutch are trying to do has nothing to do with piracy (since its still legal here to download a movie or song for personal use) but to try and stop cyber criminals. Anyways that doesn't make it any less rediculous.... lines will be crossed in the end and normal users will be affected if this goes trough which i doubt.
    
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I don't care if gov have info they already can,I want a juge randomly selected world wide (yes I bet someone has a list of those,and that random global juge decide if justice bother with the case.a juge from same country can't be picked and if the juge speak read and or write in said accused language said juge is automatically out before anything start..once req are done .juge listen and say if case proceed or not.if huge surprise then justice may iquire.why all this safeguard to prevent movie and music industry from being judge jury and executioner(unlike now)there is a system and I don't believe any should be bypassing the judge just because they know judge won't accept .
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