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VPN's and Proxies are ultimately traceable.
What many of you fail to realize is a stipulation in this bill.
If I use a Starbucks Wifi to illegally download torrents, that Starbucks is responsible.
If you use a VPN to illegally download torrents, that VPN owner is now responsible.
It doesn't matter, under the bill, if they can track you or not because they have the enabler.
So, let's say you sit in a Starbucks and for 2-3 months, you download a world of crap.
FBI cares, tracks the IP to a Starbucks, waits for you to show up -- Bye bye.
Same thing happens with Wifi ~ You have to be in RANGE of that Wifi to use it, don't you? So you don't think after months and months of downloading, they're not going to trace the original owner and find out they did nothing...Then realize it's a 50ft range?
VPNs and Proxies don't allow for ultimate anonymitiy because at the end of the day, someone still owns that VPN and they're responsible under your use because that VPN is still traceable.
If this bill goes live, it will be very interesting, IMO, in how VPN's/Proxy servers handle their clientele because, everything has a source.

That's why you pick VPN servers that are not in US or EU. Many countries don't have laws that criminalize p2p sharing. If someone uses multi-hop VPN, by the time you get through all the red tape to obtain the warrant from the first hop country, the logs are already purged.
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That's why you pick VPN servers that are not in US or EU. Many countries don't have laws that criminalize p2p sharing. If someone uses multi-hop VPN, by the time you get through all the red tape to obtain the warrant from the first hop country, the logs are already purged.

he knows everything dont bother with him, you can be anonymous on the net if you really want to. he just wont accept that period.
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he knows everything dont bother with him, you can be anonymous on the net if you really want to. he just wont accept that period.
You can be anonymous, you just need to be behind seven proxies.
    
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Seven proxies, each titled as one of the seven deadly sins... that way as they track you they suffer a mental breakdown as they wonder if they're tracking down the devil... after all, aren't all torrenters/pirates nothing but devils to the digital world?

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he knows everything dont bother with him, you can be anonymous on the net if you really want to. he just wont accept that period.

Okay. Since you're so brazenly brilliant and I know absolutely nothing about my field.

Explain to me how you're connected TO the proxy?

Oh, we didn't think about that one, did we?

Even when you load into a proxy...Who's internet are you loading through?

Are you sitting with a box of Lucky Charms and magically jacking into that VPM?

No. You're going through your ISP that actually sees you're logged into a VPM/Proxy Server and begins an automatic log.

Again, this is shocking coming from people on OCN.

The ONLY thing logging into a Proxy protects you from is the host of wherever you're going NOT THE SOURCE.

Where do you think the packets are source-routing?

Seriously...Do ANY of you have a degree in this field or are you just acting stupid to egg me on?

At this point I'm so tempted to offer a Free Internet 101 class, it's ridiculous. This thread is proving the ignorance of these forums with practically every single post...
    
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Okay. Since you're so brazenly brilliant and I know absolutely nothing about my field.
Explain to me how you're connected TO the proxy?
Oh, we didn't think about that one, did we?
Even when you load into a proxy...Who's internet are you loading through?
Don't they use an encryption on the data that is passed between you and the proxy?
    
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Are you sitting with a box of Lucky Charms and magically jacking into that VPM?

Gotta say, that made me LOL tongue.gif

Actually, I use Ouija Board as my VPN...
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Don't they use an encryption on the data that is passed between you and the proxy?

Theoretically, yes but, there's still packet loss, degradation...Postal would tell you 100% that when the END USER logs into a Proxy/VPN it is VERY obvious...And depending on the proxy you use, there's an incredible amount of signal bleed.

Think of it like trying to funnel Niagra Falls into a Poland Springs bottle.

When you log in to those services 9/10 times, your internet company detects what you're doing and starts a tracer.

I'm certified THROUGH Charter Communications and I tested this, myself, for a very long time...There is an INCREDIBLE amount of bleed from the user who's using a proxy.

Yes, Proxy hunting does work but, again, now you're funneling Niagra Falls 8x and there's still an end source.

Bottom line: Anything going through the line, in any/way/shape/form/function your internet company knows about...If they don't know what it is, they'll investigate but, if it's going through their DNS, they have to know about it.

In your method, like I said, it works because it causes a stall...And then you have to obtain international warrants...So it takes a long time but, there's still a source.

Look at what happened to Anonymous...

The only proxies that really try to block your activity and mask the ISP are the ones that cost $100/month and since MOST people that violate the aforementioned law are apparently doing it because they're "broke", guess who doesn't have the $100 to spend...So they use the $15/month proxy and think they're gods...Well, they're not...Far from...and it's time to acknowledge that.

The $15 advertise that they block your activity but, they don't on the back end...They muddy it...In fact, 5 of the top 7 from that I just google'd basically filter your packets and muddy the water from your ISP...Ironically, it takes about 2 minutes to figure out what Proxy you're jacked into so, that's useless...But, you'll find THOUSANDS of people using it that claim they're invincible...Much like most of you.

Hate on me all you want, I could genuinely care less but, educate yourselves on this more...
    
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lol thats why you'd do it from a free wifi hotspot or coffee shop etc thumb.gif

Riddle me this, why don't they catch those "anonymous" people? HUH?

stop acting like someone can't do something on the internet anonymously if they REALLY REALLY want to.
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lol thats why you'd do it from a free wifi hotspot or coffee shop etc thumb.gif
Riddle me this, why don't they catch those "anonymous" people? HUH?
stop acting like someone can't do something on the internet anonymously if they REALLY REALLY want to.

You do realize that free wireless hotspots like Starbucks force a Eula that states that they're tracking your usage and if asked they I'll hand that usage over.

How do you think cops catch pedophiles that use proxies at Starbucks? rolleyes.gif

Again, get a degree then we'll talk.

Every single time you connect to the Internet you have a source, a physical location...even the matrix had them. Physical location means there is no such thing as anonymity.

When you can provide a tangible scenario that has never been traced back to a source we'll discuss this further. Until then, you're not worth replying to. thumb.gif
    
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