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You do realize that free wireless hotspots like Starbucks force a Eula that states that they're tracking your usage and if asked they I'll hand that usage over.
How do you think cops catch pedophiles that use proxies at Starbucks? rolleyes.gif
Again, get a degree then we'll talk.
Every single time you connect to the Internet you have a source, a physical location...even the matrix had them. Physical location means there is no such thing as anonymity.
When you can provide a tangible scenario that has never been traced back to a source we'll discuss this further. Until then, you're not worth replying to. thumb.gif
So, when using a website that supports public key encryption through an anonymous proxy, your ISP can still track you? I'm still shocked that you can defeat encryption.
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Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

So, when using a website that supports public key encryption through an anonymous proxy, your ISP can still track you? I'm still shocked that you can defeat encryption.
why are you argueing with him? you do realise the people who you can NEVER win a arguement with are the ones that think because they work somehwere they know it all... rolleyes.gif
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Okay. Since you're so brazenly brilliant and I know absolutely nothing about my field.
Explain to me how you're connected TO the proxy?
Oh, we didn't think about that one, did we?
Even when you load into a proxy...Who's internet are you loading through?
Are you sitting with a box of Lucky Charms and magically jacking into that VPM?
No. You're going through your ISP that actually sees you're logged into a VPM/Proxy Server and begins an automatic log.
Again, this is shocking coming from people on OCN.
The ONLY thing logging into a Proxy protects you from is the host of wherever you're going NOT THE SOURCE.
Where do you think the packets are source-routing?
Seriously...Do ANY of you have a degree in this field or are you just acting stupid to egg me on?
At this point I'm so tempted to offer a Free Internet 101 class, it's ridiculous. This thread is proving the ignorance of these forums with practically every single post...

Was unaware that they had degrees in browsing the internet. The closest thing we had was a Computer Ethics class, but that was a joke and I never paid attention.
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why are you argueing with him? you do realise the people who you can NEVER win a arguement with are the ones that think because they work somehwere they know it all... rolleyes.gif
Asking questions is not arguing.
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lol he tells me to get a degree biggrin.gif conceited. I have degrees just not in networking.

How can a wifi like starbucks that is open possibly track someone? its not like they require a username and password.

Yea they keep logs i'm sure how does that help identify some random dude with a laptop drinking a latte if he doesn't go to say his personal email ?

you could go in use a throw-away laptop and do ANYTHING u wanted. No laptop to catch you with later? no proof it was you. PERIOD match that mac son.
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lol he tells me to get a degree biggrin.gif conceited. I have degrees just not in networking.
How can a wifi like starbucks that is open possibly track someone? its not like they require a username and password.
Yea they keep logs i'm sure how does that help identify some random dude with a laptop drinking a latte if he doesn't go to say his personal email ?
you could go in use a throw-away laptop and do ANYTHING u wanted. No laptop to catch you with later? no proof it was you. PERIOD match that mac son.

You 'could' get a throw away laptop, but there's a few way off hand that you could be tracked anywhere in your local area, or any area the ISP services for that matter.

You're already being targeted, so your info is logged for tracking. Source IP, MAC address, browsing habits. You're at home browsing for kiddie pron... they've got you targeted, so they log all that info. They then put a filter through the ISP so that anytime that MAC address shows up, anywhere, you're tracked and logged. They also take note of browsing habits, since frequently those trying to obscure their identity follow specific patterns of use. Personally, if I feel the need to use attempts to obscure myself, I use Google Incognito mode, then pull up my sites in a specific order. That pattern is unique enough to be trackable, then using your MAC to verify is further 'proof' that it's you. This can be used at any access point you use, anywhere.
If you're really on the radar, i mean like FBI/CIA, and they really want you, they'll expand the net to ALL ISPs, and not just those in your area if you are prone to travelling. They'd also track social media you're a part of to look for travel plans to narrow the net if needed.
There's a LOT more they can do, and will do, and it's been going on since pre-2000 in some capacity. If they want you, they're going to track you. How do you think they ever found anyone before the internet.

Degree aside, it pays to be paranoid of the government and what they can and will do. If you can imagine it, they can probably do it. Satellite tracking, the likes of Public Enemy, Eagle Eye, Echelon... don't be surprised. There may not be an advanced AI running it yet, but DARPA and others have been working on that for decades.

I'm not even trying to play devils advocate here... I still think it's wrong, and in most cases I would find it an abuse of power and authority to implement even half the powers they have. Point being... they can do it, will do it, and have done it. I mean come on... would you really trust a government who endorsed the MK Ultra programs and issues kill/intimidate orders for political opponents. Heck, they even put out a hit on Ross Perot when he started getting really popular.
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It was a sarcastic/theoretical example, hence the quotation I placed. thumb.gif Is that 10 minutes for a 128-bit? My example was intended to be a ridiculous scenario where an ISP customer has clearly done everything within their power to secure their Wi-Fi network, where they even extensively tested it via attempting to crack their own password with GPU processing and failed. The point I was getting across is you can't put the blame on the customer if someone tapped into their wireless network. That would be like the example I mentioned with the bank robber. wink.gif

Here in Germany you are responsible for your wireless connection. If something was downloaded on your IP it's on you..
 
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lol thats why you'd do it from a free wifi hotspot or coffee shop etc thumb.gif
Riddle me this, why don't they catch those "anonymous" people? HUH?
stop acting like someone can't do something on the internet anonymously if they REALLY REALLY want to.

Several members of Anonymous have been arrested, in the USA and in the UK, just Google it.

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Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

So, when using a website that supports public key encryption through an anonymous proxy, your ISP can still track you? I'm still shocked that you can defeat encryption.

You can encrypt your data, sure, but the handshake to make a connection, no. At some point in the process there is an acknowledgement between the destination (You) and the end connection.
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lol he tells me to get a degree biggrin.gif conceited. I have degrees just not in networking.
How can a wifi like starbucks that is open possibly track someone? its not like they require a username and password.
Yea they keep logs i'm sure how does that help identify some random dude with a laptop drinking a latte if he doesn't go to say his personal email ?
you could go in use a throw-away laptop and do ANYTHING u wanted. No laptop to catch you with later? no proof it was you. PERIOD match that mac son.

As I said in previous threads, you are traceable even in these sort of environments.

Really what it comes down to is how big of a target you are. Did you commit crimes on a scale that warrants the Law to spend the resources to go after you? If the answer is "Yes.", you can not hide, they will find you, if not sooner, later. World governments have technologies that would simply scare the snot out of the average person, in their ability to filter and watch your communications, via phone or internet.

This thread can go on forever, and a million different scenarios can be put out there, and a million names be called to one another. In the end the truth doesn't change, you are traceable no matter how untraceable you think you are! What it comes down to is if you are a large enough target, and if you have the hardware in your possession when found. Which leads me to this.....

About the only way to stay "hidden" would be to buy a cheap throw away, used, laptop. Then buy a pre-paid smart phone with data. With the right tools you can tether the "locked" smart phone to the used system and get online. Now this is still very much traceable, depending on the device down to about 3 feet of your location....

What makes you "hidden" is the fact that the moment you are done, you throw it all away and walk away. Hoping you didn't leave any sort of DNA or other traces that could be used to identify you. Although at this point we are starting to get into the crazy conspiracy theory side of things.
    
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yea i'm done. I got nothing to hide but I don't support the 1984 world we live in either
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post #410 of 411
if i recall people can chose to use https and other nice protected connection!to top it all if solution didnt exist they wouldnt be wanting a juge free backdoor to everybodys life!
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