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Originally Posted by Squirrel View Post

I bet they are not biased at all.

Hence I wasn't part of the process, genius. I'm merely saying that's good news for my bro...then again, if my opinion doesn't meet OCN standards (apple sucks, torrenting/pirating rocks, intel > amd, gaming > sex), it's "stupid", right?
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On this planet, humans alone are capable of collecting, recording, collating and sorting, analysing and transferring abstract information. This trait is seemingly one of a very short list of human-only aspects. It is the closest thing that humans have to a fundamental right. The interesting thing to note about the spread of information is that the default is to keep quiet. If a person keeps some piece of information to himself (himself referring to both male and female sexes), then it never spreads. It is the persons decision if this remains the case forever or if the person desires to tell it to another person. If this choice is made, the default is no longer true. While the original person can opt to refrain from telling anyone else, but the choice to spread the information further is now in the hands of another (the originator has lost exclusive control).
The fundamental rights in the US constitution all imply freedom of information to be a fundamental right (most of the specific rights are special cases of a general principle). The question then becomes one of which fundamental rights are given up.
According to the US Supreme Court (fox v doyal), the exclusive purpose of copyright is to ensure more public works for the general good of the people (not the government or content producers). This fits well with the idea that the "copyright bargain" is a one-way deal struck between the government and content creators (with the government representing the majority of the public). The People state (through congress) that they are willing to give up their fundamental right for X time in exchange for public works. The content creators are free to take or leave this deal, but have no fundamental right to restrict information after they choose to release it (they do however retain the right to keep their works to themselves).
From this, it can be deduced that significant piracy does not and cannot exist if the government is carrying out the will of the people. Let's take a look at the cases. In the first case, there are few people "pirating" information. If this is the case, then special laws restricting everyone in the name of special interests is unjustified and handing enforcement to these special interests is even less justified. In the other case (where it is alleged that piracy is a significant problem), this cannot be as the assumption must be that a large amount of The People are unhappy with the "bargain" that congress has struck and are voting with their actions to repeal and revise the laws. At such a time, it is congresses duty to change the laws and the "piracy problem" disappears as those who were formerly pirates are no longer while the content creators are still free to keep future information to themselves.
The problem here is that certain megacorporations would go out of business if they didn't produce more content because other indy providers would be more than willing to adhere to different terms while producing the content that consumers desire.

What you have written is beautiful but, as you can easily read in this thread, most people simply do not understand or want these constitutionally guaranteed rights. They have been brainwashed into a good vs. bad paradigm in which the 'pirates' are bad and the mega corporations are good, thus the person who can barely get by becomes the villain but the billionaire manager or CEO becomes the hero.

Another thing that most people do not know, understand or want to know is that the constitution of the US was destroyed when title code 28, paragraph 3002 was passed:

US CODE: Title 28,3002.

(15) "United States" means —
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.

http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode28/usc_sec_28_00003002----000-.html

The US protects the rights of corporations so vehemently not just because it has the best government money can buy but because it is a corporate entity. I don't know how much clearer this law can possibly make it, when it says Federal corporation.

As for 'piracy' itself. It has been proven through several studies that 'piracy' increases sales and is paramount for development, the elimination of which isn't possible. Imagine if fire or the cooking of food, clothing, any form of construction or design could have been patented and the copy or reproduction of which could have been prohibited. Where would our society be today?

Last, these starving billionaire CEO's are crying their eyes out about how their millionaire artists aren't going to get anything from piracy when music artists, for one, make their money from concerts and not record sales. They can cry me oceans and drown in their own pathetic, salty tears. Their business model is dying and there are enough artists who are now fighting the system tooth and nail. Rage Against the Machine showed you don't need a label company to make a huge song and that guy PSY and his Gungnam Style video has around half a billion views on Youtube alone, with millions of views on Chinese websites too (no idea about Korea, Japan or elsewhere in the Far East).

Here in China copyrights barely exist but musicians and film stars are still extremely rich. They don't need the police to enforce their greed, they do it through hard work.
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Thank you Liranan, you speak the truth. The people need to wake up and see that this country can't reallistically be called the "United States of America" anymore. truth be told its name should be closer to "Corporate States of America"
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"Corporate States of America"

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On this planet, humans alone are capable of collecting, recording, collating and sorting, analysing and transferring abstract information. This trait is seemingly one of a very short list of human-only aspects. It is the closest thing that humans have to a fundamental right. The interesting thing to note about the spread of information is that the default is to keep quiet. If a person keeps some piece of information to himself (himself referring to both male and female sexes), then it never spreads. It is the persons decision if this remains the case forever or if the person desires to tell it to another person. If this choice is made, the default is no longer true. While the original person can opt to refrain from telling anyone else, but the choice to spread the information further is now in the hands of another (the originator has lost exclusive control).
The fundamental rights in the US constitution all imply freedom of information to be a fundamental right (most of the specific rights are special cases of a general principle). The question then becomes one of which fundamental rights are given up.
According to the US Supreme Court (fox v doyal), the exclusive purpose of copyright is to ensure more public works for the general good of the people (not the government or content producers). This fits well with the idea that the "copyright bargain" is a one-way deal struck between the government and content creators (with the government representing the majority of the public). The People state (through congress) that they are willing to give up their fundamental right for X time in exchange for public works. The content creators are free to take or leave this deal, but have no fundamental right to restrict information after they choose to release it (they do however retain the right to keep their works to themselves).
From this, it can be deduced that significant piracy does not and cannot exist if the government is carrying out the will of the people. Let's take a look at the cases. In the first case, there are few people "pirating" information. If this is the case, then special laws restricting everyone in the name of special interests is unjustified and handing enforcement to these special interests is even less justified. In the other case (where it is alleged that piracy is a significant problem), this cannot be as the assumption must be that a large amount of The People are unhappy with the "bargain" that congress has struck and are voting with their actions to repeal and revise the laws. At such a time, it is congresses duty to change the laws and the "piracy problem" disappears as those who were formerly pirates are no longer while the content creators are still free to keep future information to themselves.
The problem here is that certain megacorporations would go out of business if they didn't produce more content because other indy providers would be more than willing to adhere to different terms while producing the content that consumers desire.

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Originally Posted by Liranan View Post

What you have written is beautiful but, as you can easily read in this thread, most people simply do not understand or want these constitutionally guaranteed rights. They have been brainwashed into a good vs. bad paradigm in which the 'pirates' are bad and the mega corporations are good, thus the person who can barely get by becomes the villain but the billionaire manager or CEO becomes the hero.
Another thing that most people do not know, understand or want to know is that the constitution of the US was destroyed when title code 28, paragraph 3002 was passed:
US CODE: Title 28,3002.
(15) "United States" means —
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.
http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode28/usc_sec_28_00003002----000-.html
The US protects the rights of corporations so vehemently not just because it has the best government money can buy but because it is a corporate entity. I don't know how much clearer this law can possibly make it, when it says Federal corporation.
As for 'piracy' itself. It has been proven through several studies that 'piracy' increases sales and is paramount for development, the elimination of which isn't possible. Imagine if fire or the cooking of food, clothing, any form of construction or design could have been patented and the copy or reproduction of which could have been prohibited. Where would our society be today?
Last, these starving billionaire CEO's are crying their eyes out about how their millionaire artists aren't going to get anything from piracy when music artists, for one, make their money from concerts and not record sales. They can cry me oceans and drown in their own pathetic, salty tears. Their business model is dying and there are enough artists who are now fighting the system tooth and nail. Rage Against the Machine showed you don't need a label company to make a huge song and that guy PSY and his Gungnam Style video has around half a billion views on Youtube alone, with millions of views on Chinese websites too (no idea about Korea, Japan or elsewhere in the Far East).
Here in China copyrights barely exist but musicians and film stars are still extremely rich. They don't need the police to enforce their greed, they do it through hard work.

It's great to see educated people replying with intelligent responses. More and more our rights are being stripped from us and corporations are taking over, this is nothing more than another step to control the flow of information.
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Originally Posted by USFORCES View Post

The day of free movies is almost over guys and probably a good time to start buying hollywood video stock biggrin.gif

 

Except people who can't afford media aren't going to buy what they pirate... If there was no piracy, they would see no profit at all. If anything it they'd start to lose money.

 

Instead of adapting/competing the MPAA/RIAA cry like little babies and abuse the horrible political system.

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They will stop me when they pry my keyboard from my cold dead fingers. sniper.gif

Time to go plunder the music industry axesmiley.png
Edited by Laurifer - 10/10/12 at 12:00am
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They will stop me when they pry my keyboard from my cold dead fingers. sniper.gif
Time to go plunder the music industry axesmiley.png

Joke's on you, piracy doesn't actually plunder them. biggrin.gif
post #99 of 411
These laws and bills are a joke. All they do is target the "pirate" at the end of the food chain. Notice that the MPAA never mentions how a movie appears on the Internet TWO WEEKS (or earlier) before its cinema launch?
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IMO the internet is too complex for this to ever work efficiently.

Example: You get brought into court for downloading a file off your IP, they search your computer, don't find said file. All you have to say is.."Someone must of downloaded it off my network, which is unprotected"
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