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Hey, take your logic and valid reasons out of here, nobody here is looking for valid defense for anything Apple has done, we're not here in an Apple thread to have a reasonable conversation about technology, everyone is simply here to bash and hate on Apple because it's the cool thing to do.

I have to admit, this is awesome cable, imagine if this is actually a USB, i have nothing against it, although just like i already said, i would rather have the commonly used connector

It'd be cool if when you were backing up the phone the light move from phone to PC, and when downloading stuff onto the phone the light moved in the other direction.
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Have you read this other post by Chinesekiwi: link
There's plenty of reasons:
1. It supports more functionality than Micro-USB.
2. It maintains compatibility with previous accessories through the use of an adaptor which Micro-USB doesn't.
3. It's reversible, and supports 2A unlike Micro-USB which wouldn't be able to charge the iPad.

Micro USB supports 2A.

My touch pad charger is 2A but only 5.3 watts, where as an ipad is 2.1 A and 10 watts.
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Micro USB supports 2A.

My touch pad charger is 2A but only 5.3 watts, where as an ipad is 2.1 A and 10 watts.

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Many people complain that Apple should have chosen micro-USB instead of a proprietary connector. The micro-B connector is almost exactly the same size as the Lightning, though it has only 5 pins and is not reversible. The USB3 version of micro-B has 5 extra pins in a separate section and twice the width of the USB2 version. USB3 has actually two different pin groups: one implements the USB2 standard while 2 extra signal pairs handle the new specification. As I mentioned before, usually the USB2 version has limited current carrying capability which would make it unsuitable for the upcoming Lightning iPad; the USB3 version has enough capability but is larger. Non-standard variations are already on the market, and yes, some connector manufacturers are now specifying higher current capacity on the two power pins. True, there are standards being implemented that expand these limits even more, but they’re not quite on the market yet.
Reference: http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/
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Here's our new cable. It does what cables do. It also makes pretty light.

We are the future.

Oh come on, you know that was pretty cool. tongue.gif
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See here:
Reference: http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/

So the standards are being implemented? Meaning the capability is already there it just needs to be officially released. They could have done that with the iPhone 5.

The only single advantage I can see it having over something USB is the reversible aspect, but I am sorry...if you can't put a peg in a hole you don't even deserve to own a smart phone or tablet.
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So the standards are being implemented? Meaning the capability is already there it just needs to be officially released. They could have done that with the iPhone 5.

The only single advantage I can see it having over something USB is the reversible aspect, but I am sorry...if you can't put a peg in a hole you don't even deserve to own a smart phone or tablet.
That doesn't mean it's a better solution. I mean Apple's lightning connector trumps it in every way. Most importantly, it maintains compatibility with many existing accessories through the use of the adaptor.
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That doesn't mean it's a better solution. I mean Apple's lightning connector trumps it in every way. Most importantly, it maintains compatibility with many existing accessories through the use of the adaptor.

heh, doesn't mean it is a worse one either and if you need to use an adapter you could have used any type of cable.

I could invent the most amazing, most useful gadget ever dreamed of by man, but it would not mean anything if I made it so it only worked on another device that I was selling and then patented it so no one else could use it. That is the only thing that disturbs me and this is just a charging cable...it is nothing special. Rather than stick to standards that have been set by neutral organizations (of which Apple is actually a part of) they went off on their own tangent for the ability to to make a few extra dollars (very few relatively speaking) selling the special cable. If Apple opened this connector up to the market and let every one use it it would be fine by me. I just want one cable...for everything.

It just doesn't make sense. Had they gone with the upcoming USB 3.0 spec it would have been true even for the iPad lightning. No mater how many lights you stick on it; it is still just a cable that plugs into USB anyway so why not just stick with industry standards? I would feel the same way if a monitor manufacturer came out with their own cable connector that only worked with their monitors, but still plugged into the display port or HDMI on the PC end.
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Pretty cool cable, but it wont make me buy an iphone 5 lol

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heh, doesn't mean it is a worse one either and if you need to use an adapter you could have used any type of cable.

I could invent the most amazing, most useful gadget ever dreamed of by man, but it would not mean anything if I made it so it only worked on another device that I was selling and then patented it so no one else could use it. That is the only thing that disturbs me and this is just a charging cable...it is nothing special. Rather than stick to standards that have been set by neutral organizations (of which Apple is actually a part of) they went off on their own tangent for the ability to to make a few extra dollars (very few relatively speaking) selling the special cable. If Apple opened this connector up to the market and let every one use it it would be fine by me. I just want one cable...for everything.

It just doesn't make sense. Had they gone with the upcoming USB 3.0 spec it would have been true even for the iPad lightning. No mater how many lights you stick on it; it is still just a cable that plugs into USB anyway so why not just stick with industry standards? I would feel the same way if a monitor manufacturer came out with their own cable connector that only worked with their monitors, but still plugged into the display port or HDMI on the PC end.
1. Actually it's not. If they had used Micro-USB then there would be no support for old accessories. With the current dock connector, many of them will still work with the adaptor. The lightning connector maintains compatibility, is reversible, is capable of charging the iPad despite having tiny pins, and is speculated to possibly be upgradable via software.

2. It's not just a charging cable. We're talking about the connector here... it allows all sorts of different accessories to work with the device. Micro-USB would literally just be for charging -- Apple has a Micro-USB adaptor for Europe, and that's all it does. If they went with that as the connector you could say goodbye to the accessory ecosystem, and to all your old accessories.

3. It still would've lacked the functionality that the lightning connector provides. On top of that, it would have been bigger and it still isn't better.

It's like saying... hey instead of using a smaller, reversible connector which is capable of supporting a large array of accessories, and maintains compatibility with many old accessories through an adaptor, let's use one that is larger, not reversible, supports almost no accessories, and cuts compatibility for everything else you might own already. I can't see how anyone can think that's a good idea.
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What accessories can it not support? Do you mean the existing Apple accessories that really had no reason not to use a standard cable? Apple should have been using USB since the beginning. It is just a scam to try to get more people to buy an iPhone and an iPad rather then an iPhone and Note...and so they can sell the proprietary cables.

And an adapter should be an adapter, right? It is just a pin-out to a different set of pins. Why won't a micro or mini USB cable be able to use an adapter as well?
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