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They went with better.

For the record, MicroUSB can do 2A as well. The adapter for my Nexus7 has 2A output.

That was about the only thing Lightning claimed to have and USB couldn't do, besides being interchangeable (turn 180*). So Apple went with Money, not better.
Edited by KyadCK - 10/17/12 at 11:32pm
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post #152 of 172
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For the record, MicroUSB can do 2A as well. The adapter for my Nexus7 has 2A output.
That was about the only thing Lightning claimed to have and USB couldn't do, besides being interchangeable (turn 180*). So Apple went with Money, not better.
The lightning connector is capable of much more.

Absolutely no one commented on what chinesekiwi said.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1314534/ai-apples-lightning-authentication-chip-may-have-been-reverse-engineered/30#post_18333645

Edit: ok I see some people in the later comments talked about it. But I see that the lightning connector can do more than just have power, hdmi output, and audio. Not to mention that the phone is lighter probably because of less components needed compared with using usb.

Instead everyone talked about that dumb picture that isnt even accurate for the progression of Samsumg cables vs Apple cables.
Edited by iEATu - 10/18/12 at 12:10am
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post #153 of 172
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Originally Posted by iEATu View Post

The lightning connector is capable of much more.
Absolutely no one commented on what chinesekiwi said.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1314534/ai-apples-lightning-authentication-chip-may-have-been-reverse-engineered/30#post_18333645
Instead everyone talked about that dumb picture that isnt even accurate for the progression of Samsumg cables vs Apple cables.

so, can you summarize what the advantage is? i don't want to read all of those.

as far as i can tell, most of the "advantages" are for the cable's "disadvantage" like the short circuit protection, because the pins are exposed unlike USB
Edited by ghostrider85 - 10/18/12 at 12:16am
post #154 of 172
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Originally Posted by steelbom View Post

Have you read this other post by Chinesekiwi: link
There's plenty of reasons:
1. It supports more functionality than Micro-USB.
2. It maintains compatibility with previous accessories through the use of an adaptor which Micro-USB doesn't.
3. It's reversible, and supports 2A unlike Micro-USB which wouldn't be able to charge the iPad.

How is charging an iPad anymore more difficult on USB than a Galaxy tab or any other USB tablet? What previous accessories are we talking about? USB has been a smartphone standard for quite a while now, besides many accessories are becomming, if they are not already, wireless.
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post #155 of 172
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Originally Posted by iEATu View Post

The lightning connector is capable of much more.
Absolutely no one commented on what chinesekiwi said.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1314534/ai-apples-lightning-authentication-chip-may-have-been-reverse-engineered/30#post_18333645
Edit: ok I see some people in the later comments talked about it. But I see that the lightning connector can do more than just have power, hdmi output, and audio. Not to mention that the phone is lighter probably because of less components needed compared with using usb.
Instead everyone talked about that dumb picture that isnt even accurate for the progression of Samsumg cables vs Apple cables.

So crapload of authentication stuff... In other words, what you get when you link any BT device or USB device: Plug 'n' Play drivers.

I have yet to see what it can magically do that USB can not. It is all data, pure and simple. Drivers can make that data anything they want. Apple chose hardware over software.

EDIT: This is FireWire Vs USB all over again, nothing more.
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post #156 of 172
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For the record, MicroUSB can do 2A as well. The adapter for my Nexus7 has 2A output.

That was about the only thing Lightning claimed to have and USB couldn't do, besides being interchangeable (turn 180*). So Apple went with Money, not better.
Why go with Micro-USB + MHL when Apple can just go with Lightning? It's reversible, possibly upgradable via software, and it may support more accessories than they could achieve with the Micro-USB + MHL combination.
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How is charging an iPad anymore more difficult on USB than a Galaxy tab or any other USB tablet? What previous accessories are we talking about? USB has been a smartphone standard for quite a while now, besides many accessories are becomming, if they are not already, wireless.
We'll see. I'm hoping the iPad 4 will come with a 20 watt charger to deal with the large battery. Not sure if Micro-USB can handle that or not but I don't think so from what I've read. (I'm not even sure if Lightning could handle that or not.) Nevertheless any previous accessories which haven't had support cut for them (e.g, IIRC the Lightning connector doesn't have a pin for analog video anymore) should work fine with the adaptor.
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Why go with Micro-USB + MHL when Apple can just go with Lightning? It's reversible, possibly upgradable via software, and it may support more accessories than they could achieve with the Micro-USB + MHL combination.

Not saying it's worse, just that it isn't better. It's like choosing between DVI and HDMI for a 1080p screen.
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Why go with Micro-USB + MHL when Apple can just go with Lightning? It's reversible, possibly upgradable via software, and it may support more accessories than they could achieve with the Micro-USB + MHL combination.

I'll bite. How can it achieve support for more accessories than USB?
    
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I'll bite. How can it achieve support for more accessories than USB?

I believe they said earlier they meant all the existing Apple devices that are on the old connector...heh, I had an iPhone for 2 years and I don't know what it was called since it couldn't do much other than sync iTunes to my phone and charge it. I never got any accessories for it because they were all basically just speakers or a charging rack.

You will need an adapter to plug into them, though. You can not do anything on the older connector type but charge the device via USB...which also needed an adapter. I am sure they could have if they wanted to, but being different is the entire Apple image.
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Why go with Micro-USB + MHL when Apple can just go with Lightning? It's reversible, possibly upgradable via software, and it may support more accessories than they could achieve with the Micro-USB + MHL combination.

I'll bite. How can it achieve support for more accessories than USB?
Because it has all the iSheep accessories AND the MicroUSB adaptor. Magical rolleyes.gif
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