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Originally Posted by Mr.Pie View Post

FYI its called MHL and it isn't limited to Sammy phones.
Also; you have to remember you need a dongle adapter to output to HDMI.

I have an MHL adapter that is Micro USB to HDMI without the need for another dongle (or did your statement confuse me into thinking you meant it needed an MHL adapter and another dongle). It only cost me $5 (made in china, generic) and it works like a charm watching videos from my phone to my flat panel TV.

Saw a couple in Amazon:

Manotek - http://www.amazon.com/Menotek-Adapter-IMPROVED-Protocol-Sensation/dp/B005F9W6DU

Samsung - http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-MHL-HDMI-Adapter-Packaging/dp/B005LGUDKK/ref=pd_cp_cps_0

It's still cheaper than lightning cable.
Edited by mark_thaddeus - 10/10/12 at 6:33am
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Mini-usb is more than capable of charging an iPad 2 or 3 lol. Is there some magic super high capacity battery that only is able to charge if it pulls a very high draw that would melt a usb? If mini USB can charge my Note 2 in an hour an iPad would be no more difficult. Who needs HDMI, I just link to my router and can stream content to my TV wirelessly and in HD 1080p. I beleive there is a way to even skip using a router and just link a Samsung smartphone to a Samsung smart tv. Interconecting like an Apple but with the power and freedom of Android!
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Originally Posted by mark_thaddeus View Post

I have an MHL adapter that is Micro USB to HDMI without the need for another dongle (or did your statement confuse me into thinking you meant it needed an MHL adapter and another dongle). It only cost me $5 (made in china, generic) and it works like a charm watching videos from my phone to my flat panel TV.
Saw a couple in Amazon:
Manotek - http://www.amazon.com/Menotek-Adapter-IMPROVED-Protocol-Sensation/dp/B005F9W6DU
Samsung - http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-MHL-HDMI-Adapter-Packaging/dp/B005LGUDKK/ref=pd_cp_cps_0
It's still cheaper than lightning cable.

yup thats what I meant. (not just a single cable; but a micro usb to the mhl adapter for HDMI output)

and....some mhl adapters dont' play nice with certain phones. There have been instances where a cheapo $5 adapter for a certain phone won't work for another. Additionally samsung swapped some of the pins around on the S3 breaking compatibility with old MHL adapter and thus need a new MHL adapter or a pin converter thing for the S3 to work with existing MHL adapters.
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Originally Posted by ghostrider85 View Post

I'm still not convinced, they can easily make a custom usb port that can do more than what the regular usb port can do, just like samsungs usb port that also outputs hdmi
They just want to go proprietary, so that they can have more profit

No amount of convincing/proof can help you.

It's a capitalistic society: Profit is the purpose of a corporation.
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

Summed up, this connector is a vast improvement on the old connector, has more features, smaller form factor.
The reason why you can;t go with micro-USB is because micro-USB can't do 2A.
It's actually much better and much more futureproof than USB.
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So, summing up all I said here and in my previous posts:

* Lightning is adaptive.
* All 8 pins are used for signals, and all or most can be switched to be used for power. So it makes no sense to say “Lightning is USB2-only” or whatever.
* The outer plug shell is used as ground reference and connected to the device shell.
* At least one (probably at most two) of the pins is used for detecting what sort of plug is plugged in.
* All plugs have to contain a controller/driver chip to implement the “adaptive” thing.
* The device watches for a momentary short on all pins (by the leading edge of the plug) to detect plug insertion/removal.
* The pins on the plug are deactivated until after the plug is fully inserted, when a wake-up signal on one of the pins cues the chip inside the plug. This avoids any shorting hazard while the plug isn’t inside the connector.
* The controller/driver chip tells the device what type it is, and for cases like the Lightning-to-USB cable whether a charger (that sends power) or a device (that needs power) is on the other end.
* The device can then switch the other pins between the SoC’s data lines or the power circuitry, as needed in each case.
* Once everything is properly set up, the controller/driver chip gets digital signals from the SoC and converts them – via serial/parallel, ADC/DAC, differential drivers or whatever – to whatever is needed by the interface on the other end of the adapter or cable. It could even re-encode these signals to some other format to use fewer wires, gain noise-immunity or whatever, and re-decode them on the other end; it’s all flexible. It could even convert to optical.

This needs to be a required sticky for all threads regarding the new connector. thumb.gif
Edited by Blindrage606 - 10/10/12 at 7:36am
 
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I'm still not convinced, they can easily make a custom usb port that can do more than what the regular usb port can do, just like samsungs usb port that also outputs hdmi

They just want to go proprietary, so that they can have more profit
Nope. Read those things again. Micro-USB can't be setup to do all that stuff.
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FYI its called MHL and it isn't limited to Sammy phones.
Also; you have to remember you need a dongle adapter to output to HDMI.
Even with MHL the Micro-USB port can't do all the things that the lightning connector can do.
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Mini-usb is more than capable of charging an iPad 2 or 3 lol. Is there some magic super high capacity battery that only is able to charge if it pulls a very high draw that would melt a usb? If mini USB can charge my Note 2 in an hour an iPad would be no more difficult. Who needs HDMI, I just link to my router and can stream content to my TV wirelessly and in HD 1080p. I beleive there is a way to even skip using a router and just link a Samsung smartphone to a Samsung smart tv. Interconecting like an Apple but with the power and freedom of Android!
Your Note 2 is a smartphone right? About an 8Whr battery? Well the iPad 2 has a 25Whr and the 3 a 42.5Whr. HDMI is good... because you can output your display to any HDTV w/ an HDMI port (and displays too I think).
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Your Note 2 is a smartphone right? About an 8Whr battery? Well the iPad 2 has a 25Whr and the 3 a 42.5Whr. HDMI is good... because you can output your display to any HDTV w/ an HDMI port (and displays too I think).

I know that, if you had read my entire comment you would have realized that I was talking about how there is no need for an HDMI cable because I am using a smart tv. More TV's should use the smart system that Samsung does as it is amazing. No need to bother with cables at all, rendering that entire part of the debate useless. I couldn't justify a single device that could only be used by an iPhone/iPad/iPod as you can get the same or better quality via other means. All Apple accessories and the lightning connector are is simply a form of control by Apple over their product. With the exception of the charging the iPad 2 and 3 as I am just not going to dig up all the details on it.

It is nice that Apple updated their old and outdated connector and that this company reverse engineered it to make cool LED cables. Just they had other options.
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For all those stating why USB can't be used etc...
A electrical engineering analysis of the Lightning connector:
First post
http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/13/boom-2/
Follow up post
http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/
Post about the pins
http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/23/boom-pins/
Analysis of the connector in the iPhone 5
http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/21/boom-teardown/

So in other words the cable and port are awesome...they just built the iPhone stupidly so it needs all this crap.
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Man, if there was sata cables like this......
    
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If the strobe varies with the rate of flow of data, then a SATA version would actually be useful for fault finding...

Very pretty too !

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If the strobe varies with the rate of flow of data, then a SATA version would actually be useful for fault finding...
Very pretty too !
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SATA cables only carry data... no power.
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