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post #21 of 31
Sounds like my work is very similar to your mom's (graphics, lots of photoshop & illustrator).

Have a look at the components in the build I'm working on.

Basically, its a 3770k & 16GB hi-speed RAM plus...

I'm going to run a 570 HD (2.5GB) GPU, but in your case I'd consider upgrading to a Quadro 2000 or 4000. There's a pretty huge rebate ($50-100) right now plus prices have come down since they're close to EOL. They are $$$ but if your mom does rendering or uses any crazy particle/3D/other complex Photoshop filters the Quadros should be able to process those faster than the 570.

SSD prices are coming down lately. You should be able to nab a Crucial M4 or Samsung 830 256GB for under $200. If you set up the rig for your mom you can configure & optimize Windows using Sean's guides so that she doesn't fill up the SSD boot drive (which might let you get away with a cheaper 128GB SSD).

Any PSU over 450W should be plenty for a single GPU rig. I personally wouldn't mess with multi-GPU in your case as they're more finicky and aren't worth it if you get a high-end video card or use the GTX 570 you have.

I'd go with a MITX board/build to simplify. A SG08 or small Lian-Li (not familiar with their models) case will give you enough room for a MITX board w/full-size GPU, and since you're not OCing the CPU, should run cool enough. If you get the smaller Quadro card an SG05 should be big enough and you can buy it w/the PSU included for around $120.

The above should leave you enough money for a high-end monitor. C-Net likes the Dell U2711, but there are lots of other manufacturers that make high-end displays. For the type of work your mom does, you DO NOT want to skimp on this. Color accuracy is super important, and also very difficult to get right. Check color gamut on any monitors you're considering. Asus and Dell publish these numbers... no idea if the Catleap gamut is known (or consistent from monitor to monitor).

Most of your money will be spent on the monitor and GPU (if you go the workstation card route), but by sticking with the 1155 platform you should have enough. Getting at least the mobo and CPU at microcenter may be worth the trip... they're still running the $50 off mobo/CPU promo which last I checked included the 3770K. thumb.gif

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You should look into this monitor, that way you can return it if you get dead pixels.
http://microcenter.com/product/384780/EQ276W_27_IPS_LED_Monitor

Here is an updated build from my original
Photoshop build (Click to show)
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CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($549.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme3 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($207.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS90 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($92.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Rosewill RK-9000 Wired Slim Keyboard ($76.47 @ Amazon)
Other: IPS Monitor (Microcenter) ($400.00)
Total: $2027.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

Since she is doing this for her business, do not hesitate to go with the 2011 socket. Most renders and filters in PS are multi-threaded. You are going to want plenty and very fast RAM.

The mouse that comes with the mech keyboard is a gaming mouse, but its still a decent mouse. The blue mx switches on the keyboard will be night and day different from the membrane keyboard.
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Originally Posted by Ironman517 View Post

If you arent gaming, stick with the 570 or swap over to a AMD card, Kepler's computer performance is garbage.
Will you be overclocking this system? And where are you located?
Here is a quick sample build. Build (Click to show)
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Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
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Keyboard: Rosewill RK-9000 Wired Slim Keyboard ($76.47 @ Amazon)
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If the keyboard is bought from newegg, it also includes a mouse.

Kepler's compute performance is not "garbage" by any means... The GK104 is not the compute-oriented chip and the compute is equal to a GTX 560 Ti which isn't much slower than a GTX 570 that you recommended in terms of compute.

Besides, that is overkill for Photoshop and even an HD 4000 can accelerate filters in Photoshop tangibly. I would still get a 7970, though.
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Kepler's compute performance is not "garbage" by any means... The GK104 is not the compute-oriented chip and the compute is equal to a GTX 560 Ti which isn't much slower than a GTX 570 that you recommended in terms of compute.
Besides, that is overkill for Photoshop and even an HD 4000 can accelerate filters in Photoshop tangibly. I would still get a 7970, though.

He has the 570 already and It is garbage compared to the AMDs equivalent cards.
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Ugh, super sorry for the late response and thanks for all the suggestions!

Sandy and the snowstorm had me out and took awhile just getting life back in order.

If the AMD cards actually make a difference I might swing getting one for her machine. I just wanted a way to get rid of a 570 to upgrade (though I'm reconsidering).

I actually want my mom to get a u27 but she has one and we never used the warranty. She's thinking we have enough backup monitors to buy 2 cheaper IPS monitors and upgrade more monitors at her store. She's been complaining about the monitors on her Fiery systems.

Back to looking at sales for this weekend. Hopefully pick up some parts cheap.
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post #26 of 31
Hi Evilferret,



Here's a build....

CPU Xeon E3-1230V2: http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?p=XE1230V2BX&c=fr&pid=4db6e4087556f891988d2aadbb51ede9fe6e2eafba633e41269b82b2ffe613dd
Don't pay for "K" and don't pay for HD4000 if you aren't going to use either. This is i7 performance for an i5 price.

MOBO/RAM GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3P + Corsair 2x8GB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1115834
A B75 board is perfect for a non-OC build that doesn't need that MVP or SSD caching stuff. This board is very fully featured for a micro board, lots of SATA 6Gbit and E3 Xeon support. I figured 2x8GB would be a good starting point but the board will have a pair of empty slots for the future.

GPU HIS iCooler H775FS2G Radeon HD 7750 2GB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161427
There is no useful or cost effective scaling of performance to be had with a GPU more powerful than this in CS6 with a quad core Ivy. The GL/CL accelerated tasks all become CPU bound with a GPU of this caliber, adding more GPU does nothing. Don't waste your money. Sell your 570 and replace it if you don't like it in your machine. Don't put a 40nm power hog in this machine it's a waste.

SSD Intel 330 Series SSDSC2CT240A3K5 2.5" 240GB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167127
$140 is a steal, snag it while they last.

HD Western Digital Red 1TB: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=74267&vpn=WD10EFRX&manufacture=Western%20Digital%20WD&promoid=1373
You should be using workstation class storage for these Photoshop rigs, not F3's. These are rated for NAS storage and will have a lower failure rate in your application. These are also a more modern 1TB per platter density compared to the F3's 500GB/platter so even though it's a lower RPM drive than the F3, the performance is about the same.

Case SilverStone Temjin Series TJ08B-E: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163182
Or something like it, there are several to choose from around this price that are professional looking and well made. The Case that brasslad is suggesting in the next post here would be high on my list of contenders.

PSU Seasonic 360W 80PLUS Gold: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008XEYT5M/?tag=pcpapi-20
gold+ rated, priced right, plenty of power for this build. (more than twice what it will ever use). The Capstone 450W that brasslad is suggesting in the next post is an equally good choice!

That's about $900 shipped once you throw in an optical drive, which should leave plenty in the budget for a copy of CS6, win7, and a nice IPS display...

Monitor $678: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009C3M7H0/?tag=pcpapi-20
CS6 $400: http://ivmshop.com/product.php?id_product=421
win7 Pro, $133: http://trinitysoftwaredistribution.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=TSD&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=FQC-04649

I'm not sure what to tell you about a good ergonomic keyboard, but the budget is at ~$2100 at that point, plenty of room for you to solve that keyboard problem and pick up a couple more WD Red's.

Best of luck with the build,
Regards,
Eric
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get an i5, save $$$, overclock to i7 levels.
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get an i5, save $$$, overclock to i7 levels.
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This is perhaps the worst advice imaginable for this build.

Responsible builders don't overclock machines that are for business/professional use by friends/family.

Since we aren't going to do the irresponsible thing here, the Xeon E3-1230V2 for the price of the i5 is a far better value.
     
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Well list is taking shape.

Probably purchase Monday after work.

Need help deciding a few components

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131805 - ASUS Rampage IV Gene LGA 2011
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157283 - ASRock X79 EXTREME4-M LGA 2011

Undecided on this. I personally like ROG boards but not sure if the premium is worth it.

running w/

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116492 - Intel Core i7-3930

For ram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220714 - Patriot Intel Extreme Master
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233390 - CORSAIR Vengeance Performance

Guessing the Cosair is a better value?

SSD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147189 - SAMSUNG 840 Series
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167127 - Intel 330 Series

Any difference between them (aside price)? Might be able to squeeze 2 of the Intels in at that price point.

HD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533 - Western Digital WD Black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3

Getting 1 WD Black for the main system and the F3's for the side systems. I guess I explained the usage wrong. The F3's are for her side systems that she allows her customers to use and save their data on. A few of them having hiccups so I want to replace and move all the data before something bad happens. If you have other options from Newegg I'm open ears.

PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088 - SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold

I guess I'm a Seasonic fanboy.

Optical Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247 - LG DVD Burner

Cooling

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181016 - CORSAIR Hydro Series H80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181017 - CORSAIR Hydro Series H100

They're almost the same price, any reason not to go with the h100?

Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163182 - SilverStone Temjin Series
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352008 - Fractal Design Arc Mini

This depends on the cooler. If I go h100, will go Arc Mini (I have one and know an h100 will easily fit).

OS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116992 - Microsoft Windows 7 Professional

Still looking for CS6 and the monitor.

I would love to go to Microcenter to pick up a monitor but no time with work.

I have a 6870 on my HTPC, better to shove that into my mom's system?

Also still looking for a decent Wacom tablet.

Probably going to buy as much as possible from Newegg aside the CS6 and the tablet (unless I'm saving tons from another vendor).

How are the Shimians and Achievas? We might be purchasing 2-3 IPS monitors if we go Korean vs 1 if we do get another U27.

Thanks all and sorry for the super long post.

Wanted to post all the links so I can easily track everything.
Edited by evilferret - 11/24/12 at 11:30pm
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Samsung 830 - 128 gig VelociRaptor 300gig Random Toshiba 3TB Liteon 24x DVD-RW OEM  
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Cosair H100 Windows 7 Pro x64 Xstar 1440p Realforce TKL 
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