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@ msremmert,
I have the Clevo P150EM (Extremely similar to the P170EM, just minus 1x bay slot and bios overclocking) ....Yes its possible to OC the non EE mobile cpus, Well at least in the Clevo P170EM's in AUS
You can see in my SigRig the specs, The Clevo was an upgrade from my Vostro 1500 that i have been using for years, kinda like what you are doing so i understand the hours and hours of research thumb.gif

Now I'm unsure if you have read any of the AnandTech reviews but there has been some issues with the ATI GPU's as you were worried about (Sorry fan boys i got burned by ATI thats why i paid the extra $$ for my 680M without thinking twice)

These links are mostly about the switchable graphics, performance etc. I am aware that these articles are somewhat dated now to the driver versions that are out so i am not 100% sure what was 'fixed'.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6243/amds-enduro-switchable-graphics-levels-up
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6343/avadirect-clevo-p170em-amds-hd-7970m-got-game

The 3820QM is around the same speed as a 2600k so i have not found any CPU bottlenecks as of yet, Friend with the same laptop opted for the 3610QM and i can hardly tell the CPU performance difference for normal use and games, only noticeable on benchmarks. So imo you should be fine with the 3630QM
(My 3820QM and my friends 3610QM have been replaced with faster models for the same price, around 100mhz faster)

The drivers so far for the 680M have been pretty rock solid, I used the beta driver 304.79 for a while until the 306.97 WHQL came out the other week. I really enjoy the 'Nvidia Optimus' support for the seamless DGPU to IGPU switching keeps my laptop even cooler and provides more battery.biggrin.gif

Now i can highly recommend the Clevo laptop range but i will admit they are not perfect.
ISSUES
The DVI output on the laptop is only SINGLE LINK not DUAL, mad.gif
The speakers are pretty crap tbh but i normally use 5.1 surround from the output on the side,

The Keyboard has a limited key push hardware problem that i have found, I can get the keyboard and touch pad to lock up until i release keys that are pushed on the keyboard. Combination of W +E + Space bar will do it every other time. (I use external USB keyboard and a USB mouse, so this really is not that big of deal for me)

INTERNAL mSATA - The sata port speed is not SATA 6 Gbit/s is it actually SATA 3 Gbit/s. Now even with this Sata limitation that the mSata SSD i have my OS installed on is stupidly fast and real world performance has been fantastic with it 7.8WEI, (If that means anything to you)

The P150EM is possible to RAID between the internal 2.5" bay and the ODD bay (I have the bay drive that lets me insert a hdd), The only down side is that the speed will be reduced because the ODD runs on Sata 3 Gbit/s. (CANNOT RAID FROM THE MSATA TO THE 2.5" BAY)
This will only effect you on the P170EM if you choose to use the ODD to put a HDD into and then RAID with the 2x 2.5' bays and the ODD - HDD placement. So not specifically a major issue, its just one that people don't normally think about if they want more storage into a laptop.

I don't believe the e-Sata port has a 'port multiplier' on it either so it will not detect more than one drive in an esata enclosure, but i don't know of any laptops that do have a built in port multiplier so not specifically a con on Clevo.


Overall i would recommend the first option you had in mind with the Nvidia 680M, its extremely fast.
Get a 265GB or 128Gb m-Sata as an OS drive, than get one or two 1tb 2.5" mechanical drives for storage, or the 750GB versions (7200RPM)
The Bluray drive would be nice /Envy from me as I cannot have that as a viable option because of the lack of a 2.5' bay i use the ODD port for additional hdd
RAM wise..You could most likely find some of the "corsair Vengeance CMSX8GX3M1A1600C10 8GB (1x8GB) DDR3 SODIMM" Ram sets, It's only $55 on AU, im not sure the price for a single 8Gb stick in the UK tho ><<br />
It's a shame that on the website you first provided they don't offer the 72% Gamut Matte screen or the 90% Gamut Gloss options. When i got my P150EM i went with the 95% Gamut Matte screen, I can say by far that its the best looking screen i have ever used, Way better than any other internal laptop screen i have seen. Plus i love the Matte screen finish no more glare of death!

If you have got any questions just send me a PM and i will try to answer as best i can.
PS. the 680m overclocks like hell.


http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af239/Sadistblinx/Pc%20pics/HeavenCpuzGpuz.png (Note this is default clocks) i will upload OC ones when i have time, i'm swamped with work atm haha
Edited by SadistBlinx - 10/14/12 at 8:49pm
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Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
Crucial M4-CT256M4SSD3 ST9750420AS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate 15.6" FHD 1920x1080 LED / LCD 95% Gamut Matte 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Samsung SA850T 27" PLS 2560x1440 via DP 180W AC Adapter Clevo P150EM Touchpad 
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Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T7500 Dell - WY041 NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT  Samsung 3GB Total 667mhz 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung  WDScorpio Black WD3200BEKT 320G DVD+RW Yellow Pages 
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post #22 of 24
Thread Starter 
Just wanted to say thanks for all the input I got from this forum.
I just placed an order for my laptop. thumb.gif
I went for the 680m option instead as once I'd added all the optional extras, the X-Fire 7970m version pushed my price a bit too high.

Anyone got any pointers on overclocking a laptop?... I read somewhere these Clevos have it natively in the bios.

Conveniently as I'd waited I got the upgraded i7-3630QM instead of the i7-3610QM and for some strange reason the laptop was £50 cheaper than normal so I opted for 16GB of ram to make up the difference. tongue.gif
Sadly they were out of stock of the mSATA 120GB SSD so I ordered the laptop without it and just purchased a nicer one separately - so I can't imagine that's going to be hard to fit when that turns up.

Otherwise I just wanted to say thanks. smile.gif
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Stock Laptop PSU Clevo MP170EM Logitech G700 Fellowes Gel Pad 
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Samsung SN-S082H Windows 7 Ultimate x64 17" Glossy WUXGA, Dell 2407WFP-HC Logitech G15 (blue one) 
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Clevo P170EM
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Clevo M570RU
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-3630QM Clevo P170EM Geforce GTX 680m 16GB @ 1600mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
128GB Crucial M4 mSATA 2x 500GB Western Digital Black TSSTcorp SN-208BB Stock 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Clevo 1080p Dell 2407-HC Stock Glowing Keyboard 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Stock Laptop PSU Clevo MP170EM Logitech G700 Fellowes Gel Pad 
Audio
Asus Xonar U7 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
T7700 @ 2.4GHz GTX 8800m 4GB 667Mhz 320GB Internal, 1TB, 2x500GB & 320GB External U... 
Optical DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung SN-S082H Windows 7 Ultimate x64 17" Glossy WUXGA, Dell 2407WFP-HC Logitech G15 (blue one) 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Laptop PSU Clevo M570RU Logitech G700 Generic Mousepad 
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post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by SadistBlinx View Post

@ msremmert,
I have the Clevo P150EM (Extremely similar to the P170EM, just minus 1x bay slot and bios overclocking) ....Yes its possible to OC the non EE mobile cpus, Well at least in the Clevo P170EM's in AUS
You can see in my SigRig the specs, The Clevo was an upgrade from my Vostro 1500 that i have been using for years, kinda like what you are doing so i understand the hours and hours of research thumb.gif
Now I'm unsure if you have read any of the AnandTech reviews but there has been some issues with the ATI GPU's as you were worried about (Sorry fan boys i got burned by ATI thats why i paid the extra $$ for my 680M without thinking twice)
These links are mostly about the switchable graphics, performance etc. I am aware that these articles are somewhat dated now to the driver versions that are out so i am not 100% sure what was 'fixed'.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6243/amds-enduro-switchable-graphics-levels-up
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6343/avadirect-clevo-p170em-amds-hd-7970m-got-game
The 3820QM is around the same speed as a 2600k so i have not found any CPU bottlenecks as of yet, Friend with the same laptop opted for the 3610QM and i can hardly tell the CPU performance difference for normal use and games, only noticeable on benchmarks. So imo you should be fine with the 3630QM
(My 3820QM and my friends 3610QM have been replaced with faster models for the same price, around 100mhz faster)
The drivers so far for the 680M have been pretty rock solid, I used the beta driver 304.79 for a while until the 306.97 WHQL came out the other week. I really enjoy the 'Nvidia Optimus' support for the seamless DGPU to IGPU switching keeps my laptop even cooler and provides more battery.biggrin.gif
Now i can highly recommend the Clevo laptop range but i will admit they are not perfect.
ISSUES
The DVI output on the laptop is only SINGLE LINK not DUAL, mad.gif
The speakers are pretty crap tbh but i normally use 5.1 surround from the output on the side,
The Keyboard has a limited key push hardware problem that i have found, I can get the keyboard and touch pad to lock up until i release keys that are pushed on the keyboard. Combination of W +E + Space bar will do it every other time. (I use external USB keyboard and a USB mouse, so this really is not that big of deal for me)
INTERNAL mSATA - The sata port speed is not SATA 6 Gbit/s is it actually SATA 3 Gbit/s. Now even with this Sata limitation that the mSata SSD i have my OS installed on is stupidly fast and real world performance has been fantastic with it 7.8WEI, (If that means anything to you)
The P150EM is possible to RAID between the internal 2.5" bay and the ODD bay (I have the bay drive that lets me insert a hdd), The only down side is that the speed will be reduced because the ODD runs on Sata 3 Gbit/s. (CANNOT RAID FROM THE MSATA TO THE 2.5" BAY)
This will only effect you on the P170EM if you choose to use the ODD to put a HDD into and then RAID with the 2x 2.5' bays and the ODD - HDD placement. So not specifically a major issue, its just one that people don't normally think about if they want more storage into a laptop.
I don't believe the e-Sata port has a 'port multiplier' on it either so it will not detect more than one drive in an esata enclosure, but i don't know of any laptops that do have a built in port multiplier so not specifically a con on Clevo.
Overall i would recommend the first option you had in mind with the Nvidia 680M, its extremely fast.
Get a 265GB or 128Gb m-Sata as an OS drive, than get one or two 1tb 2.5" mechanical drives for storage, or the 750GB versions (7200RPM)
The Bluray drive would be nice /Envy from me as I cannot have that as a viable option because of the lack of a 2.5' bay i use the ODD port for additional hdd
RAM wise..You could most likely find some of the "corsair Vengeance CMSX8GX3M1A1600C10 8GB (1x8GB) DDR3 SODIMM" Ram sets, It's only $55 on AU, im not sure the price for a single 8Gb stick in the UK tho ><<br /> It's a shame that on the website you first provided they don't offer the 72% Gamut Matte screen or the 90% Gamut Gloss options. When i got my P150EM i went with the 95% Gamut Matte screen, I can say by far that its the best looking screen i have ever used, Way better than any other internal laptop screen i have seen. Plus i love the Matte screen finish no more glare of death!
If you have got any questions just send me a PM and i will try to answer as best i can.
PS. the 680m overclocks like hell.
http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af239/Sadistblinx/Pc%20pics/HeavenCpuzGpuz.png (Note this is default clocks) i will upload OC ones when i have time, i'm swamped with work atm haha

You guys make me so proud sometimes. <3
     
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post #24 of 24
To insert msata you remove the 4 screws on the base cover that the single " support" screw thats on the msata slot. Took me more time finding the screw driver kit that actual installation biggrin.gif
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Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
Crucial M4-CT256M4SSD3 ST9750420AS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate 15.6" FHD 1920x1080 LED / LCD 95% Gamut Matte 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Samsung SA850T 27" PLS 2560x1440 via DP 180W AC Adapter Clevo P150EM Touchpad 
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Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T7500 Dell - WY041 NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT  Samsung 3GB Total 667mhz 
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Samsung  WDScorpio Black WD3200BEKT 320G DVD+RW Yellow Pages 
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Dell Vostro 1500
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 3820QM P15xEMx Nvidia GTX 680M Samsung 16GB *4x 4GB @ 1600mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
Crucial M4-CT256M4SSD3 ST9750420AS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate 15.6" FHD 1920x1080 LED / LCD 95% Gamut Matte 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Samsung SA850T 27" PLS 2560x1440 via DP 180W AC Adapter Clevo P150EM Touchpad 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T7500 Dell - WY041 NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT  Samsung 3GB Total 667mhz 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung  WDScorpio Black WD3200BEKT 320G DVD+RW Yellow Pages 
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Windows 7 32Bit Ultimate 15.5" WSXGA+1680x1050 with TrueLife 90W AC Adapter Vostro 1500 
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