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Originally Posted by SpankyMcFlych View Post

children =/= adults
Too many of you are acting like this is happening to adults when children don't have the same rights and responsibilities. They don't have any real expectation of privacy, especially on school grounds.

Yeah, because we all know that the Bill of Rights ONLY applies to people over the age of 18, right?

I mean using your logic ... that of "well, they are kids, thus they have no Constitutional Rights" ... that means we can kill kids under 18 and it doesn't count as murder, because they have no rights ... right?

I'm sorry, that logic just doesn't hold up. Nor does the fact of the matter that as tax payers, we are FORCED, under penalty of jail, to pay into a system that violates Constitutional Rights of people under the age of 18 .... just because.

I'm sorry, this whole tracking thing is just wrong on so many levels it isn't even funny.
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Originally Posted by snoball View Post

Simple solution, never carry school ID around.

easy way around it. "forget it" in a class halfway through the day, then cant see if your there or not, they tried this stuff awhile back when i was finishing my grade 11 year, my id card spent its day in the trunk of my assinged car in autoshop class, and i had a fake made to carry around that would still open the door latches but has no tracking.

the point is, any smarter than average student will find a way around this, even if they do implement them.

oddly enough i still graduated with honors, go figure, yet i was only ever there for 2 hours a day, id go and collect all the days work from teachers, and do it in the comfort of my home on a sofa.
Edited by PCSarge - 10/10/12 at 1:24pm
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BAHAHAHA can't vote for homecoming? Wow. At any rate this is very sad.. and a lot of people are likely to brush off the whole idea of tracking because they see no problem with it.
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Originally Posted by frickfrock99 View Post

Makes perfect sense. They have to make sure the kids aren't getting into trouble or endangering themselves/others.
For if they are, the blame falls directly at the school's doorstep. This has to be done for their own good.
When it comes to the safety of children, there's no such thing as being too careful.
I really hope you forgot to include /sarcasm.
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It already has been. This is a flagrant obfuscation of human rights. Let's number our people, treat them like cattle. It's for their own good, don't you know?
This is disgusting, and whoever proposed this plan and implemented it should be fired.
This & by gunshot.
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children =/= adults
Too many of you are acting like this is happening to adults when children don't have the same rights and responsibilities. They don't have any real expectation of privacy, especially on school grounds.
When/if they ever come up with implantable tracking technology I would definitely have my kids done. They can have it disabled once they reach adulthood but until then I would know where they are 100% of the time. The peace of mind that would bring me would far far outweigh any loss of "rights" for my children.
I do question the consequences though. Is it a slippery slope? I'm not talking about eroding rights since children don't have a right to privacy, but changing social values. Children who have been tracked their whole life, do they become accustomed to being tracked and end up less protective of their privacy as adults? Or do they, as with other child/adult changes, accept that the limits that were imposed on them as children are no longer acceptable once they reach adulthood.
That said, we can't refuse to change and adapt to future technologies due to fear of unknowable future consequences.

This is only the case if you treat children as children. Get to know your kids, build up some trust (same goes for teachers). Once you actually have some trust and respect for each other, the issue disappears. Back in high-school, we had fairly average absence rates. However, the class with the an almost perfect attendance rate was History - which is strange, considering it is the one class that rarely took attendance (classes were fairly small in general, so it was easy to tell if someone was missing). Why? Because we had respect for the teacher, and he had respect for us. This would extend outside of simply taking attendance. For example, in Chem class, the teacher would get extremely annoyed if you didn't do your homework. However, in history, he would simply ask why. In most cases (not just for me, but a lot of friends) it was because they forgot. However, he wasn't angry. He understood that these things happen, and would ask when you would have it done. Usually, the answer was the next day.

You would think this would be abused like crazy, but it wasn't. We knew that as long as we were honest, he would be honest with us. As a result, the class that had literally zero punishment for missed assignments, absence, and so on had THE highest attendance rate, and THE highest course mark out of the entire school.


There is absolutely no way I would have my kid (well, I don't have any, but let's say I do) "tagged". It's insane. They're kids. Provided you have any connection with them, at a younger age they wont do anything "insane". Once they get older, they'll do stuff. It's part of life. I came home numerous times at 1-2am, drunk, while under-aged. My parents weren't angry. I learned my lesson the next morning, when I would feel insanely awful. The problem is, when the parent's get mad at this kind of behavior, and try and prevent it, it becomes a "challenge". A friend of mine had extremely strict parents - He had to be home by 11, could never drink (even at home), and so on. So, ironically, one of the times he went out and ended up in the hospital for two days. Why? Because he had no respect for alcohol and its effects. As long as you know your child, and how he/she acts, you shouldn't be concerned. Trust that you've brought them up well enough to keep themselves out of trouble. This whole issue of "I need to know where my kid is 24/7" is only a product of terrible parenting. Contrary to popular belief, the world hasn't changed that drastically in the last few hundred years - if anything its gotten a lot better. Kid's aren't going to say "hey, my parents have been gone for 15 seconds. Let's have a party with 400 people at my parents house, get insanely drunk and do drugs".


Let kids learn off their own mistakes. It's way more effective than trying to prevent them from ever screwing up in the first place.


Put it this way. When I was young (i.e. 4-5), I lived in an area near a bunch of farms. Some of these farms had electric fences (obviously non-lethal, but still painful). Sure, my parents told me what it was, and what it would do, but I said "I want to see what happens" - so I grabbed the thing, got an amazing shock, and cried. Their response? "We told you what would happen." Would you have let your kid do the same thing? Or would you have forbade them from learning through their own means?

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I'm not talking about eroding rights since children don't have a right to privacy,

Also I find this just disgusting. Children are still people. They have the same rights as you or I.
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why do people call conspirac theorists idiots or be sarcastic there is nothing wrong thinking outside the matrix
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God Bless America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This actually reminds me of all those shows/movies where people are tagged with bar codes and chips.
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What happened to the good ole' days of "Keeping an eye on the students"? Seriously, are teachers that lazy/incompetent?
As someone who holds a degree in education, I will tell you that most teachers have a very good sense about what's going on around them, so clearly that is not the case.

Speaking as a high school student: Often yes. At least in my school.
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only in america
Edited by ghostrider85 - 10/10/12 at 2:37pm
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Speaking as a high school student: Often yes. At least in my school.


Go to college for 4 years to get a specialized degree, have not 1 boss but 250 parents + administrators complaining about how you are inadequate. Watch as your peers with less difficult 4 year degrees to obtain make 2 or 3 times as much money as you straight out of college. Watch yourself demonized by interest groups for wanting the same set of standards in pay and treatment as your educated counterparts. Try to dis-spell the myth that you only work 9 months a year because the people who watch you work, children, only see you 9 months a year. As your peers go on their vacations you use the little time you are given off to go to mandatory continuing education classes that you must pay for out of your own pocket so that you can keep your job. Work 50 to 70 hours a week but get paid for 40.


Once you become a teacher you'll understand. Most lazy and incompetent teachers are out of the system in 2 years(50% of all teachers quit teaching and never come back in the first 2 years 70% in the first 5). It takes a lot of will and desire to want to do the job and stay doing it.


On topic. I disagree with the policy. Public policy formula teaches us that in incrementalism you start small and continually add to a public policy. It will start with school students, and be mandated to other parts of society slowly but surely. Government workers will probably be next, then companies will start doing it. Eventually it will be mandated for every citizen. Don't confuse incrementalism with slippery slope conspiracy. It's not. Its a an actual public policy model that we've used effectively. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. They all started out as very base line programs but through incrementalism now account for 62% of the US federal budget.
 
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I am actually torn on this. I can see this program leading to increased safety of students, as a missing student will possibly be able to be tracked, it will be possible to link misbehavior with the location of certain students, etc.

There are certainly privacy implications and if we were talking about adults and not children I would say this program is a no go. But as it is I am kind of torn.

In the end the community will have to decide if they like the program or not.

EDIT: I see that some people are bagging on teachers. There is a reason the retention rate of new teachers is only 50% in the first 5 years, the job SUCKS.
My ex-gf was a high school English teacher, we were dating through her masters education program and her first year of teaching. This is why it sucks:
1. Pay. She was lucky in that she was a high achiever type and was the type of person schools love to hire, she had offers from pretty much everywhere she interviewed so she was able to get a job in the third highest paying district in the state of CA and started around 50K a year. Most of the other schools were offering ~30-35K/year starting salary.
2. Respect/protection. The school administrators are so afraid of the parents they will never back up the teachers unless their butts are covered in every conceivable legal way. My ex had to deal with problem students, like the basketball star who was a very imposing figure, who would become threatening in class, she was a petite 5'8" woman who had to try and control this kid while having almost no tools with which to do so.
3. Hours. She put in a TON of work, it actually sucked for our relationship. She would wake up super early to get to school on time, then when she came home she would often be up until 10pm grading, then have to go straight to sleep so she could get up early in the morning.

Basically teaching sucks and a lot of good teachers get driven out of the profession. Parents don't respect the teachers, the students don't respect the teachers and the administration does not respect the teachers yet the teachers are the most important part of any school. My friend tells me that in Spain teachers are given the same respect doctors are. In the end this punishing environment for teachers only hurts the entire US economy by churning out students who don't have a strong foundation in even basic skills and knowledge.
Edited by Mygaffer - 10/10/12 at 3:07pm
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