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If you don't believe in the American dream, you're doing it wrong.
My father and mother met working in a diner in Southern California. Both were piss poor and came from large, poor families. After working his ass off for 15 years, my father is now heading a project to reform dialysis clinics in China after working as a VP for a dialysis company here in the states. He drives an '09 Tundra and doesn't flaunt his money. He is my greater inspiration. My mother runs a successful home business from a warehouse we built in the country.
Point is, the American dream is still there, you just need to work harder.

FFS, I'm honestly so tired of the stories with the end result of, "SEE, it can be done!". Maybe it's the cynic in me, but its not at all uncommon to actually have people directly opposing your 'pursuit of the dream' so they can further theirs. You're talking about a time when the 'dream' was still a matter to be reached for. Now, post-crap era (2000-present), there's not much left but to reach for basic sustenance. I work plenty hard and have to support my family and all that comes with it. I'm paying student loans that colleges lied to keep large portions they weren't due... because thet are FOR PROFIT... not for education. Education is just something they sell, and its usually substandard and in the end, hardly worth the paper it's printed on. It takes a good deal of luck, timing, and perseverance to get anywhere anymore. I've been tossed job to job for 6 years since I've been out of the Army. Laid off or let go for quite literally no reason, or in one case for 'working too hard, which leaves too much free time'... I kid you not. Fired for working too hard and the boss couldn't keep up. Funny thing is, it was his fault since he slashed advertising budget, so people stopped calling... no work.
I finally landed a spot at a place where my hard work is never unappreciated and never exhausted. I work for a major bank in the corporate offices, plenty of work. I started as a temp and was the fasted hire the bank had seen from a temp spot. Now, I'm working my way up, paying off (imho, fraudulent) student loans, and planning on getting the certifications I need to get ahead and get where I want. Sure, maybe in 15 years I can speak like what you're describing happened to your parents, but more often than not, the people I'm speaking to from around the world are in dire straights from situations out of their control. No one cares anymore... unless its about themselves.

Not really sure how this derailed into 'the American Dream' for this thread, but seriously... the dream is dead, survival is all that remains.
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Coca Cola has implemented the same practice on its employees
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So I think there's really only one area in which this crosses the line, and that would be tracking children outside of the school grounds. The side article linked there said that in California, there is a school that requires kids who are late to check in 5 times, 2 of those times are outside school property. That is completely unacceptable and unnecessary. You want to make the kids check in to use the library, or when the get to school or leave school? Fine, that's no problem with me. But outside of the school grounds is inappropriate.

Look, you can cry foul all you want, but think about the working world (and even most colleges). You have to use your badge to get into many places. When I was in college (awhile back) we used our ID cards to badge into our dorms, to the rec center, to our music practice facilities, to the library (and then the study rooms inside the library), etc...Most places I know of in the work force require you to badge in to the front door, to the stair well, to the side doors, to conference rooms, etc...Requiring people to badge in has become a way of life, and it is not inherently bad or evil.
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If successful, the tracking program could save the district as much as $175,000 lost daily to low attendance figures, which in part determine school funding. Higher attendance could lead to more state funding in the neighborhood of $1.7 million

I think this is also worth mentioning, whether you believe how a school is funded is right or wrong this is one of the ways that a school receives funding. Every little bit helps these schools out, so if this can help improve attendance records and give them more funds for the district then great. Schools are hard up for cash, so if they can implement an non-invasive strategy to track kids attendance records and where the are at on school grounds then more power to them. I mean seriously, you're supposed to be in school, so the faculty already has a pretty darn good idea of where you're at to begin with. Again, I'm not advocating its use OUTSIDE of school grounds, but if this helps keep kids in class, and can help provide the schools more funding then great. Also, if it keeps more kids in class, at the very worst the might actually learn something, or get better grades, which will again help the school get more funding to do a better job.

I don't understand why people are so against stuff like this. It's a good thing, and in today's society it gives hard and meaningful data about a child's attendance record. I have a relatively good pool of data to draw from, keeping in mind I'm not trying to speak for EVERY school and EVERY district and EVERY person, but I've seen over the years the parents of children are demanding hard evidence of a child's misbehavior, they REFUSE to believe their kid would skip a class or would mouth off or would start a fight. This gives the school administration some relatively solid data to back up their claims when parents come in yelling and cursing at the faculty because their kid is "an angel", at least when the parent receives letters about their child's poor attendance. Can't do much about the fights or mouthing off yet, and although that would be nice that's a different discussion for a different thread smile.gif

TL;DR, there really is no harm in knowing exactly where a kid is at when they're already supposed to be at school. Taking this technology off school property is indeed a violation of privacy, and I'm opposed to that. But it has the possibility of giving evidence to parents when a child has poor attendance, has the possibility of getting the school more funding to keep good teachers when schools are looking to make cuts due to lack of funding, and can be used to make sure everyone gets out of a building safely in the event of an emergency/disaster.

*puts on flame suit* I know I know, so just go ahead and flame and get it over with
Edited by b3machi7ke - 10/15/12 at 12:01pm
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Not really sure how this derailed into 'the American Dream' for this thread, but seriously... the dream is dead, survival is all that remains.

Nobody is successful anymore. Everybody makes just enough money to survive, but not enough to have any luxuries. None of us on this forum own $2K+ gaming rigs, nice cars, houses, health care, or have families. We can't afford any of those things, it's all just a facade, and we all are in poverty even if we don't know it.

/sarcasm
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*puts on flame suit* I know I know, so just go ahead and flame and get it over with

There are valid points to be had, but what right does the school have to that information. If it was voluntary for the students, I'd see nothing wrong with it. Forcing students to be tracked at all times isn't what I'd call a harmless program. Did you not see the link posted earlier where the school in Pennsylvania were remotely accessing webcams (spying) on students using school laptops? The ability to track the students will be abused at some point of time.
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Nobody is successful anymore. Everybody makes just enough money to survive, but not enough to have any luxuries. None of us on this forum own $2K+ gaming rigs, nice cars, houses, health care, or have families. We can't afford any of those things, it's all just a facade, and we all are in poverty even if we don't know it.
/sarcasm

So you cite the existence of an enthusiast website, where many people actually report being an enthusiast at heart, but less so in their builds.. as a source for success as an evident fact? I know quiet a few people, from this forum and my own gaming group, who have spent mountains of cash on their rigs, just because they can... several also cite having made poor choices in doing that due to large amounts of debt they're shouldering from unwise purchases for the 'nice cars, houses, health care (premium being assumed...), and families'. The poverty line is a poor relation to actual poverty, as many people right at/just above it are still quite poor off. $36,000 for a family of four is considered to no longer be in poverty... you don't qualify for food benefits, medical, anything... however everything related to those costs have skyrocketed. Many people also put themselves in debt over these 'luxuries' and don’t count them as such since it's only pretend credit money and not cash they're spending... many years of consumer debt analysis and spending habits has proven this. Given credit, the average consumer is FAR from responsible.
Many people are lucky just to survive on what they actually bring home. Having basic internet, basic cable (if any at all) and a phone line are considered 'luxuries' by people who don't know what it's like to actually have to struggle, or have forgotten that many people can't get out of the hole.
Having taken my quote somewhat out of context, you'll see examples I cited using my own personal experiences. I've worked with people from all walks of life, and frankly, effort alone isn't always enough. Many bosses and employers will actively work against anyone they find a 'threat' to their comfortable lifestyle of doing next to nothing to make their cash. Friends have been let go because of 'budget cuts' by departments that just increased spending on frivolous marketing gimmicks that people ended up hating. I've seen people with those 'oh so valuable' degrees fired by the new boss right out of college since the ones with seniority were eminent threats to those tools advancement.. and hated being proven wrong not actually knowing anything about the role they were handed.
Anymore, people in the "Have" category seem to be willfully naive for those in the "Have-Not" category. If you aren't successful, it's your own fault... period. Just plain not true. "Well, I did it, that means anyone can do it... replace 'I' with 'my parents/friend/news story success piece' for the same effect. I've lived in real poverty and faced REAL struggle across several situations. I'm building myself up now and am almost on my feet... and it's not due to 'effort alone' since it was a few strokes of luck and the kindness of others that I am where I am. How about actually helping those in need and not just using the 'get a job' or 'work harder' line... do you think those struggling don't want more? Get a grip and keep your /sarcasm more in line with the actual state of things. We have entire countries bordering bankruptcy and our own (the US) weathering an increasingly disgusting amount of debt.
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There are valid points to be had, but what right does the school have to that information. If it was voluntary for the students, I'd see nothing wrong with it. Forcing students to be tracked at all times isn't what I'd call a harmless program. Did you not see the link posted earlier where the school in Pennsylvania were remotely accessing webcams (spying) on students using school laptops? The ability to track the students will be abused at some point of time.

I don't think it can be abused since it will only work inside or very close to the school. Unless you are thinking the abuse will be to implement it to be city wide...and then state wide...ect. and then soon big brother will be every where. They can't spy on kids with it...well, other than looking on the screen to see what classroom they happen to be in at the moment. That is just a replacement for looking in a schedule though. Even if it was made city wide...how many kids are going to be walking around in the evening with their ID badge on? It is just going to be sitting at home.

However, it is like I said a long time ago in this thread. We pay for this technology and consider it a luxury. It is a little thing we call GPS. Sure it is voluntary, but how many people just leave it running? How many bad things have happen to them because of it? I don't think tracking on my physical location is going to be a bad thing at all and would make me safer overall. What if he building I am in started on fire? What if I slide of the road and go into a deep ditch in a blizzard? There are countless ways that this could help and only one that could hurt...that the system might get hacked and some one steals my "identity" and commits a crime. I supposed it could be argued again that a person wishing me harm could hack the system and find me, but if they want to do that they will be following me anyway. So any system put in place would need constant monitoring.
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First, it's worn around your neck, carried in a card... you get used to the all seeing eye watching over your actions. You get used to having to produce identification for the most trivial of matters. It goes in your pet... you don't want it running away, do you? Oh, see, it works for the pets... now we can put it in your kids! Never deal with runaways again! Always know what they're up to! Seniors! Keep track of their medicine and health issues -- all the information will be on the chip! Oh, and if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for you, too -- what, it's not like you're some kind of terrorist or something, are you? What do you have to hide? Look! You can use it as a key! As a credit card! To store information! It's cool! Plus, criminals can be dealt with swiftly and properly. You're not a criminal, right? What have you got to lose?

/offrant

If I had a kid going to this school district, I would destroy the card and deal with the consequences or better yet just transfer to another district. RFID is great for stuff like keeping track of store inventory. It's not for humans.

Yup you said it all!! thumb.gif
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Yup you said it all!! thumb.gif

They said it all, except the part where anything bad came of it. Do you really think society would let Half Life 2 become reality? The absolute second this got abused for the purposes of controlling people (outside of controlling them not to rob banks and kill people and what not) there would be an up rising. If not from the people, there would governmental officials wanting votes for re-election.
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They said it all, except the part where anything bad came of it. Do you really think society would let Half Life 2 become reality? The absolute second this got abused for the purposes of controlling people (outside of controlling them not to rob banks and kill people and what not) there would be an up rising. If not from the people, there would governmental officials wanting votes for re-election.

I don't think we'd have much say in a Half-Life 2 scenario... I think the Combine has a bit of an edge biggrin.gif
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I don't think we'd have much say in a Half-Life 2 scenario... I think the Combine has a bit of an edge biggrin.gif
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